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Discussion in 'Development' started by BillyGoat, 24th Apr, 2016.

  1. BillyGoat

    BillyGoat New Member

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    We have recently obtained approval for the construction of two townhouses (each around 30 squares).

    We are starting to organise working drawings and not sure whether to go with architect that did TP drawings or draftsperson for this task. What are peoples thoughts/experience/opinion on this specifically in relation to working drawings.

    Also, what would one expect to pay for a set of working drawings.

    Any thoughts or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. LifesGood

    LifesGood Home Building & Development Consultant Business Member

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    Not sure of the cost but sounds like a Draftsperson job to me.
     
  3. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    It depends whether the architect has been able to document the vision clearly enough for a draftie to take over. DA drawings are often somewhat vague and may not include plumbing ducts etc and when it comes down to doing working drawings things like that can make or break them. Usually it's best to use whoever did the DA drawings to do the working drawings.
     
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    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    Seconded @Westminster. However I will add that when it comes to providing details, I will do them myself eg. setout plan for tiling (if it ain't all one colour, offset diamond, border etc)
     
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    I would use the same person from experience. Even with the same person, there are bound to be a myriad of mistakes/changes. Not sure how it would work using a completely new person.
     
  6. BillyGoat

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    I also feel that it would be best to work with the architect who did the DA drawings. It seem to be the more efficient way to go.

    However now that we have the DA, the architect has provided a quote to prepare working drawings for around $32,000. This doesn't include engineering or any other consultants, the fee is purely for working drawings.

    What would one expect to pay for working drawings for a project of this nature (even a rough figure or a range would be helpful). I would really like to push ahead for the sake of time but im not sure that what we have been quoted is in the ballpark?

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Leo2413 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Wow..32k for working drawings alone seems quite high....

    My architect in qld charged 22k for concepts, DA and BA (detailed) drawings. As well as doing the consultant coordination for the DA.
     
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  8. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    Woweee too.

    Generally it's best to negotiate all this up front. I have a fee proposal in front of me from an Architect to do a 100sqm commercial + 4 apartments. Approx $900k + GST construction.

    Basically Stage 1 and 2 is DA and is $15k and Stage 3 is working drawings and is $20k.

    Stage 1 – 15% $7,425.00 inc. GST (2 draw-downs)

    Concept Design
    Schematic Design
    Opinion of Probable Construction Cost

    Output
    Site plan, floor plans, elevations, at a scale of 1:100 Preliminary Finishes Schedule
    Opinion of Probable Construction Cost


    Stage 2 – 15% $7,425.00 inc. GST (2 draw-downs)

    Development Application Design Development
    3d Computer Images

    Output
    Site plan and floor plans, elevations, sections at a scale of 1:100 3d Computer Images

    Stage 3 – 40% $19,800.00 inc. GST (4 draw-downs)

    Contract Documentation
    This is to include advice on other Consultant Appointments, Design Co-ordination, as well as advice on Building Contracts and Amendments.

    Output
    Site plan at a scale of 1:100, Floor plans, elevations, at a scale of 1:100 Sections at a scale of 1:50
    Bespoke Construction Details at scale of 1:20 and 1:10 as required Bespoke Cabinetwork Elevations at a scale of 1:50 (including Tiling Layouts) Finishes and Colour Schedule
    Fixtures and Fittings Schedule (Sanitaryware)
    Door & Window Schedules
    Lighting Layouts
    Specification (including Hardware Schedule)
    Pretender Estimate - Opinion of Probable Construction Cost
     
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  9. BillyGoat

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    Thanks Leo2413 and Westminster - this is very helpful to get a rough idea.

    How long do your working drawings usually take to work up? I know this is a how long is a piece of string kind of question but just some general idea would be great.
     
  10. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    More time than you think! Generally anywhere between 4-8 weeks. Generally around 6ish.
     
  11. Leo2413

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    Second what Myf said. Things always tend to take longer then planned.
     
  12. Aaron Sice

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    32k for docs....? Wow!
     
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    Geez I could beat that by about 5k and include all your planning reports!
     
  14. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    That's a quote from Joe Chindarsi :)
     
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    How could they be so much more expensive? less over heads?
     
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    I have no overheads at all; so probably....!
     
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    I'm going against the grain here but I would get a drafts person to do the working drawings and I would be insulted if they wanted more than $7k per dwelling (INCLUDING engineer, unless it's extra complicated), and if the second is very similar to the first I wouldn't want to pay more than half again, so $10,500 total for both.
     
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    ^ that's about right.
     
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    The draftsman who did the DA drawings recently provided me a quote for working drawings. It's for building a townhouse at the rear. What do you guys think?

    2.1 Engineering (SS) - Engineering - Structural (Single Story) - 450.00
    2.3 Working Drawings - Working Drawings - 1,300.00
    2.4 Energy Rating - 6 Star Energy Rating - 230.00
    2.7 SOIL REPORT - Soil Report - 400.00

    SUBTOTAL 2,380.00
    GST TOTAL 238.00
    TOTAL A$2,618.00
     
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  20. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    At 32k quote from the architect just for the working drawings I'd probably seriously consider a drafty too.