Thank pumkin and nope you aren't goin crazy ,,as l was saying even my daughter is having heaps of troubles with any sort of quality, Of course she can't afford top dollar but she shouldn't have too. l know what you mean about all the bells and whistles yet just garbage, l can't understand why they'd even bother either,although , quick money l suppose. Not surprised men go to her for their pants , not at all. Man l dunno wth you have to do to buy pants made for men these days, seriously. l've even thought maybe women have taken over the designing and just don't understand the dynamics , umm, we need down there. Your mums got that one thank God at least someone has. Surprised people mention Myre too, even them eh , growing up Myre was great quality , well so everyone use to say. Knew they're in hard times right now but l reckon sacrificing that is gonna end up a very bad move.