Westpac plans to 'dump' risky property investors as rates rise and returns fall

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  1. willair

    willair Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Yes, but be prepared for all relevant eventualities ..
     
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  2. Simon Hampel

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    I have no doubt there is an element of truth here - but I suspect it is relating to a small number of problematic loans and certainly not an across-the-board change in policy.

    So possibly not "fake" and more likely "over-dramatised".
     
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  3. Rex

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    Perhaps these are investment property loans in the name of SMSFs or other limited liability entities, where the risk of jingle mail is real in a negative equity situation?
    I highly doubt a letter like this would be sent to everyday residential property investors, not at this stage anyway.
     
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    Did any buyers agents/groups specifically use Westpac for funding and revals?
     
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    Love a good rhetorical question :D
     
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    I never read the Australian article but Gottlilebsen seems to be backtracking today

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    In the Financial Review and other websites we had a story saying that Westpac wrote to a number of its customers who had borrowed money to buy investment dwellings. The reports said that Westpac customers were told that the bank no longer wanted to fund them and would cease funding them in a month.

    The articles quoted the letter as saying that to continue lending to this group of customers Westpac would no longer be responsible and that it was now a bank that only loaned responsibly.

    Westpac senior people strongly denied sending the letter and, to date, a copy hasn’t been produced.

    But there is a message in the letter that the author is trying to convey, albeit dramatically – that most borrowers on interest-only loans face much larger payments once their loans mature and the overall level of home lending is to be cut severely and they may not get new loans.
     
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  7. Perthguy

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    Interesting news @radson. An outcome predicted by many in this thread.
     
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    I must admit i'm not a fan of Gottilebsen, but this seems particularly disingenuous.

    "But there is a message in the letter that the author is trying to convey, albeit dramatically "

    So the news was fake but its ok, because I agree with the sentiment?
     
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    I am chasing my friend who is super stressed and scrambling to find a new lender...

    He has enquired with Westpac and apparently it’s because he didn’t declare an extra credit card he had open when he applied for additional loan, therefore this implies fraud and he doesn’t have a leg to stand on apparently.

    Only a 10K limit but he is getting his lawyers involved to try and buy more time...
     
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  11. Simon Hampel

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    I call BS.
     
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  12. Rachel92

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    Ok I will try and get copy of original letter in next few days, please don’t ban me from forum in the interim Simon!
     
  13. Simon Hampel

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    What would that be, 10 times now? I keep losing track of all your troll accounts. :rolleyes:
     
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    I would love to see this elusive letter. There has been a lot of chatter but no proof.
     
  15. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    ummm .....................

    no.

    Personally, I would like to see these threads shut, because we have stuff going on thats designed to incite, based on untruths, half truths, or someone having a little fun.

    there would have to be just a little more than an undeclared liability for such an event.

    35 % of our clients forget cards or dont understand that a Hardly Normal Interest free is a liability, often more than one, and on subsequent disclosure and clean up the loans are still approved.


    ta
    rolf
     
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  16. Blacky

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    Ha ha.

    Can’t hide
     
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  17. Perthguy

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    Half the threads these days are basically trolling. Like that great 60 minutes troll. Still, this stuff is all over the media so we may as well discuss it and set the record straight. Look how many brokers chimed in to call BS on this story right from the start. Still no proof has been given that the letter actually exists.

    It sorts out who is legit from who is naive/trolling. Like the poster who chimed on with "lots of naive people here". Really? The story is fake. Who's being naive?
     
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    Unfortunately it’s hard to do because it was quoting the AFR which is meant to be a respectable journal. So it’s not just some random BS web site (Albiet the AFR May be quoting a BS website.

    However still a lot of miss information being touted as fact.

    Blacky
     
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    Or failing to declare a HECS debt as an example. Quite common IMO and easy to overlook.
     
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    Oh, sorry I didn't realise @Rachel92 was a troll ;)

    I just thought it'd be a great opportunity if they could share..... given they've personally seen a letter that nobody else in the entire investment or broker community has seen and that Westpac denies exists it would be extremely valuable for those interested!
     
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