We will all need shrinks in 3 months

I don’t live in Melbourne so I don’t really know.

But I am not going to to your viewpoint as the absolute truth.

Happy to be alive, not in hospital and COVID free (so far).

 

the thing is when you look at favourable comments on Andrews on PC they are posters who are not living in Melb. They are not on the ground, yet saying his doing a great job

Only one person from Melb mentioned how bad he is on this thread and Yman mentioned the mistakes made

I have lots of friends in Melb not happy vegimites

leaving all this aside ......If we measure success by outcome/results he has failed Melb And I mentioned the blunders, this is fact you cant brush this under a rug as we have the stats and we know the outcome and its Still not over

 

I'm pretty angry about the quarantine stuff ups and I don't live in Melbourne.

But the fact that the disease has spread so fast proves that enough people can't take precautions and the only choice is lockdown.

The fundamental issue is the centralised underfunded public health model in Victoria. Less than 50% of the resourcing per capita than NSW and around 25% of QLD. No surge ability and you can see that they just ran out of management capacity. And even worse, no plan when they need more capacity....

His view on Belt and Road is a little disturbing however....

 

Hi MTR,

I have not read the all posts in this thread. But i understand your concern of not being able to see your daughter and other family members. Dont get me wrong - i would feel exactly the same if i was in your situation.

However, look entire situation from neutral perspective.
Would you say same thing about Australia being nanny state if we were in middle of war and there was severe restrictions in place for longer period than current one ?

For e.g. i never heard anyone complaining that their human rights and liberty were trampled by state in times of war. Everyone knows that they were trampled and millions died during wars. You can blame politicians and dictators for starting war, punish them by death sentence when captured etc but when you are in war, you follow what army says if u want to save your life.

I believe present circumstances are same - government is doing best as per their ability. U cant get everything 100% right in emergency situations. There will be always small number of people inconvenienced in situation like this. But it will be better outcome for vast majority of people.

 

Possibly because no one else considers them "blunders" ... but rather an attempt to work thru, make mistakes, learn, correct, guide, save lives in s situation that no one in living memory has gone thru before

Your very quick to put the boot in but not once suggested alternative options, that wouldn't end up in thousands of deaths ... without the constructive bit, it's only criticism and worthy of being ignored

 

Hotel quarantine was a massive blunder.

 

I understand that that YOU do NOT live in Melbourne. YOU are not on the ground, yet YOU are saying he is a disaster.

So now you are becoming hypocritical.

My two kids, their partners and my three grandchildren (aged 6, 3 and 2) all in Melbourne.

We talk to them multiple times a week. On a regular basis, we ask them how they are going, how they feel about what has happened, ...

Yep, they are finding it tough going. Who wouldn’t with three little ones. One thing COVID has proven about my family is that they are very stoic.

They are millennials and it is so good that they aren’t in the whinging category. They always tell us “It is what it is”.

To support them morally, we transfer some funds to them on a regular basis:- sometimes to the grandkids, so they can buy reading books, educational toys, ... and some times to their parents so that they can have a nice, home-delivered meal in us.

 

Hi Kieran,

That is great that you help. What about families that have lost jobs and have no family support yet still need to homeschool and keep a stable family unit together.

I fully appreciate your opinion, and I agree with you, but I think you need to think about others involved in this don’t have the same support that you/your kids have.

 

Australian unfortunately people need politicians that love Aussies like their own children

How many are there?

 

Sorry - the way the hotel quarantine was run was a monumental blunder costing the state billions and sadly hundreds of lost lives.

 

QLD tried, kept the borders closed but all that did was frustrate everyone who didn't take this thing seriously.

Now when we look at Melbourne and the borders have been closed again, the same damn people who whinged she kept them closed too long are now whinging she closed them too late.

No pleasing some people, some people just like to grumble .

 

I didn’t realise that I posted that I don’t feel for them.

And I feel for the 572 Aussies who have died, their families and their friends who miss them dearly, ...

And I feel for the 20,000+ Aussies who have recovered as I believe many of them will have long-term health issues, ...

I have empathy for everyone doing it tough. I lost a younger sister in a car accident when I was 12, my in-laws went bankrupt years ago and they had to live with us, I suffered depression 10 years ago, my wife has experienced major health issues over the last few years, ...

I believe I have personally experienced some of the pain Aussies (and the world) is experiencing at the moment.

But I do find it a little annoying when some PC members post absolute cow manure. I will call it out as I don‘t think it helps.

I believe I do.

 

Meh, happens when the tiny but largely irrelevant world of some is disrupted.

 

The blunder was that our politicians thought ALL Australians would be responsible and could be trusted to do the right thing.

Unfortunately, too many Aussies have proved our pollies wrong.

 

It's interesting what this pandemic has done outside of the obvious terrible loss of human life. What it has effectively done is show how many people value self over group.

I'm not saying this is good or bad merely commenting that I have noticed it. There are a group of people who say "for the good of everyone I will do as I am asked" then there is a group of people who say "MY rights are being taken away, I can't do this, I can't do that, It's not fair on ME"

I don't have kids but I do have lots of family and we are across a couple of states. I feel that I couldn't be at my Nephews engagement party, I feel that we miss birthdays and I will feel it at XMas when we can't see the family but what if I go somewhere which a week later is declared a hotspot.

What if while I was there I contracted COVID19, what if I pass it on to someone here before I show symptoms?

What if that person then takes it into a hospital or nursing home or an entire block of units?

If I did have kids, I know which of the two types of people I would want them to think I was when they looked at me.

When all the dust settles and this is looked back on as a major event in human history, how do you want to remember your part in it? Did you help or did you feel hard done by as the rest of humanity grappled with something that our governments have done a relatively good job in shielding us from by comparison.