Tidbits from the Manafort trial

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Lizzie, 16th Aug, 2018.

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  1. Ambit

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    People are finding they are suddenly not registered to vote as well, including one young man who voted last month, suddenly he’s not registered.
    Social media are playing an important role here bringing this stuff out in the open. People are mounting challenges to the closing of voting stations, offering free/discounted ride share services to vote, collecting signatories to a petition to object to the closures etc.
    The degree of corruption is staggering.
     
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    He likes to break the norms, and he's succeeded in doing so many times. Because he's had such a high level of support from Republicans, anything can be forgiven. He may be willing to break a normal again in the matter of a pardon.

    But Manafort may also be tried for a New York matter, and a federal pardon would not apply if found guilty. Apparently Mueller has declined to charge Manafort on matters which are both state and federal offences.
     
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    Great discussion on The Drum tonight - regarding the mix of presidents, and how many have been a whole lot worse but more devious - Trump is "what you see is what you get" - and how the voting public swing.

    From Clinton - the charmer - to George W - the warmonger - to Obama - the academic pacifist - to Trump - celebrity ... fascinating
     
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    On Manafort being found guilty, Trump tweeted.

    "I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family," the President tweeted the week of his conviction. " 'Justice' took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to 'break' - make up stories in order to get a 'deal.' Such respect for a brave man!"

    The tone is going to change now Trump knows Manafort is doing a deal.
     
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    Trump has ordered just 21 pages of the 412 page FISA warrant for the investigation of Carter Page to be released, the implication is that these are pages which support his view of the investigation.
     
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    I imagine that's why Trump is causing such a stir about it being a "witch hunt" - and attempting to discredit the investigation.

    Manafort had to surrender around $48mil worth of property to government coffers due to it being considered "proceeds or crime" ... I'm pretty sure Trump doesn't want to see his "empire" go the same way
     
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    Trump is unlikely to be tried for any offence while he is in office. It's possible that even Mueller doesn't want to indict a sitting president, if he finds anything.

    While Manafort had to forfeit a lot of property, under the plea deal, he gets to keep some as well.
     
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    I'm sorry what? Did the president really just imply it is ok to cheat on your taxes provided you don't get caught for 12 years?

    Even if there was a statute of limitations, it doesn't make you any less guilty if you did the crime.
     
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    The president wants to release only some sections of classified information, the sections which support his narrative. Of course the Dems would oppose. He is the only one in the position to release any classified information, so anything which doesn't support his point of view doesn't get released.
     
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    I don't believe he can be tried whilst still President ... can only be charged after he leaves office. That's a real incentive to hold on to the position as long as possible
     
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    And now he has decided not to release the unredacted documents.

    There was always a danger in releasing classified documents. There were reports that some European countries were asking that they not be released. And, as Trump said, releasing them would have a "perceived negative effect on the Russia probe". There was a view that releasing them would be perceived as an attempt to influence the Mueller investigation.
     
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    There was also a risk that releasing the redacted docs would have backfired on the Republicans, although they would have only released parts that they thought would help their case. Maybe they couldn’t find any!

    Trump also admitted when asked before that he hadn’t read the documents.
     
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