SA The state of Adelaide - no power

I wish , but its too hard to sell its benefits to general public who are clueless about it.

 

could be right..why do these sorts of people get voted in?
Its gunna be interesting to see what happens there...they had to get coal generated power from QLD recently.

 

Well Labor has been government there for like 17 years ..... So they must be doing something right ..... to get votes at least.

Or just Liberals are very bad.

 

I was never a fan of Mike Rann, but am impressed with the direction on renewables by Jay and will be voting Labor this election.

Not sure on this to be honest, i wouldn't have a clue on what they stand for. They have been very poor at getting their message out over succesive elections.

 

Im glad you are thinking the renewable direction taken is good but.

Its at the expense of the people and business.

Australia is as a whole emits relatively nothing compared to total output.
But because of our green brigade takes on a huge financial burden at the expense of.
Productivity the average user and obviously industry.
Renewable can be done parallel .

Who cares that i ahve friends and family who cant afford to run heating or cooling on 40C days.

We are making point.

Look at our prices.This is why we dont compete with the world.
Australia should have the cheapest rices in the world.
We have Nuclear,Gag,Coal and many other sources for fuel/tech.

 

I would have to disagree.

Cost, not climate, is driving transition to renewables: BlackRock's Jim Barry

"BlackRock has almost $5 billion invested in renewables, the global head of BlackRock Infrastructure Investment Group told CNBC on Friday.

As I look at infrastructure, I'm looking for where the structural shifts (are) underway, and there's a massive structural shift underway in the power generation system," Jim Barry said.

"To give you a sense of the scale, renewable deployment has gone from less than $20 billion a year 10 years ago to $300 billion a year. It's almost 30 percent of the global addressable market in infrastructure. This is no longer niche, it's fundamental to any infrastructure allocation."

 

The average wholesale price of our electricity market is quite low compared to other developed countries. It is the price all generators bid taking into account their operation and investment cost. So it is a better indicator of electricity generation cost. The retail price has too many other components in it. Everything "retail" in Australia is expensive, isn't it.

 

Far too many people believe in the myth that renewables significantly raise electricity costs. This is from a speech by Rod Sims, Chairman of the ACCC.

https://www.accc.gov.au/speech/shining-a-light-australia’s-gas-and-electricity-affordability-problem

 

That's a great graph, if you want to tell a particular story. But you have failed to ask why.

Why does SA pay more for power?

SA has been replacing base load power generation with dispatchable gas power and in the last few years gas prices have gone mad. So when they turn on those gas generators to top up supply, all the prices go up, even the cheaper power.

A mate of mine who does energy policy analysis, explained this to me and I was gobsmacked.

 

It seems to me that they should go back to the cheapest available fuel then?
Wouldn't that be the best thing to be trying to do for the S.A citizens if you are their representative?
Isn't part of the gas problem due to much of our gas being imported and not enough left for Aussies, and also not a lot of (future) exploration being encouraged/allowed?

 

A better question might be why does say; Poland (or any of the cheapest 10 Countries in that graph) pay far less than S.A (or indeed any of the Aussie States mentioned)?

 

As we have more fuel sources than most countries in th e world and coal is border line free.

Use coal while you get and understanding of renewables and than parallel closure of fossil fuels.

You dont hard shift and screw your citizens.

Australia should have the cheapest power in the developed world.

 

X3 times times the price of USA is not acceptable.

Any explanation is ******** justification for this complete mess at the expense of the citizens of this country. SA residents ultimately paying the price.

I have clients in SA who rescent what is happening and the business is suffering.

 

Sure but is this just delaying the inevitable? The energy market is shifting and i am proud SA is leading an early transition.

How many coal plant failures were there over our last summer? And what was the impact on price?

Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units after Loy Yang trips

"The Tesla big battery is having a big impact on Australia’s electricity market, far beyond the South Australia grid where it was expected to time shift a small amount of wind energy and provide network services and emergency back-up in case of a major problem.

Last Thursday, one of the biggest coal units in Australia, Loy Yang A 3, tripped without warning at 1.59am, with the sudden loss of 560MW and causing a slump in frequency on the network.

What happened next has stunned electricity industry insiders and given food for thought over the near to medium term future of the grid, such was the rapid response of the Tesla big battery to an event that happened nearly 1,000km away."

 

Although you are proud the energy demanding industry is closing.
Although you are proud elderly can not afford to heat the house.
Although you are proud young couples with kids cant afford to cool the house.

Swallow the pride these people would be thankful.

 

Adelaide and SA is a welfare state and has no right to do whatbit did to the energy grid.

 

You're right it should have the cheapest power. But you have maybe:

1. Not read my post
2. Not understood my post, etiher through a lack of comprehension or deliberately misunderstanding
3. Having a rant

Why are you going on about coal when the real culprit is privatisation which in turn has pushed up the costs of power. The gold plating of power distribution systems by private companies to increase their already fat profits is well documented. In case you missed it the first time. The ACCC (maybe its fake news to you?) tells us this about power prices.

A very simple google search turned up this:

Electricity Trust of South Australia - Wikipedia

I get you are angry, but at least afford us the courtesy of having an honest discussion.

 

Lol, really?

 

Energy demanding industry like this $600m project?

Neoen plans world’s biggest solar + wind powered hydrogen hub in S.A.

“The Superhub will enable Neoen to produce renewable hydrogen for overseas export markets, and create 300 construction and ongoing jobs for South Australia.”

“Our hydrogen roadmap has laid the groundwork for South Australia to become a world leader in the emerging hydrogen production industry, and to benefit from the economic opportunities that flow from it,” he said in a statement.

 

WOW. This shows a lack of understanding about the economics of carbon constrained economies. And an assumption that people who are into renewables hate energy, not sure where you get that weird bias, but you might want to study if it is holding you back.

People who get it understand that in a carbon constrained future, there will be still be tremendous need for energy demanding manufacturing. If Australia gets its act together and spends very big on converting to renewables, we would become the place for high energy low carbon manufacturing.

Here is an example.

Sundrop Systems. This place is extraordinary. This is the future of farming certain crops. Current green tech used in a place where you couldn't imagine a farm like this.

Facilities - Sundrop