The genius of the Donald

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Is trump...like, really smart?

  1. Yes

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  2. Yes- compared to his support base, he is a genius

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  3. Are you f@()_-# kidding...

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  1. Lizzie

    Lizzie Well-Known Member

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    - there is only one side that has said they can shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it
    - there is only one side that has called the press "enemy of the people" on a daily basis
    - there is only one side that constantly accuses the press of "fake news" when they print facts that might be distasteful to the accuser
    - there is only one side that volunteered to pay the legal bills for anyone assaulting a protesters
    - there is only one side that praised a congressman for assaulting a reporter
    - there is only one side that demands innocent people be "locked up"
    - there is only one side that has a slogan "find me some rope and a tree"
    - there is only one side that called Nazi mobs "very fine people"
    - there is only one side that has constantly verbally abused women, political opponents, disabled, immigrants, deceased veterans, blacks, native Americans, law upholders, foreign leaders, ally countries and just about every other sector in society

    and then promptly goes to a rally and blames the media for the pipe bomb attacks

    To quote George Washington: "Example, whether it be good or bad, has a powerful influence and the higher the Rank of the Officer who sets it, the more striking it is"
     
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  2. RPI

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    I would be guess he's very smart. Never met him. But he knows exactly what to say to send his opponents into a frenzy and get his base behind him.

    It may be that he is smart enough to surround himself with people smarter then he is.

    The problem in the current environment - long before Trump is the inability for people to understand why other people have different views and then label them an ist for it.

    Campbell Newman was evil personified in QLD, he was the reincarnation of hitler if you believed the union emails flowing around the public service. Yet I've had things to with him post politics (due to mutual business clients) and he is a really nice guy who I have no doubt was genuinely trying to do what he though best for the start.

    Tony Abbott is apparently a racist, homophobic mysogonist - yet has done more volunteer work in his life then most.

    Peter Dutton - evil child murder, yet talk to the family of the little baby murdered and thrown on top of a toilet block and all his investigative work while a QLD copper and change to QLD's double jeopardy laws and he's closer to a saint.

    The labor and union movement appears to have a genuine hatred for those on the otherside unless they should have really been on their side all along (eg Turnbull who Richo stopped from getting a labor seat).

    The other side of politics gets it as well but tends to be attacked on a more personal level, eg Gillard being a witch or barren etc.

    I think you should read both the Guardian (crazy socialist lefties to some) and Breitbart (Right Wing Nut Jobs) with an objective view so that you can evaluate things for yourself and where you don't agree, at least try and understand where they are coming from.

    Likewise, people should not be protesting to stop others being heard at universities, rather they should be heard and then their ideas debated or attacked (with evidence etc) by those that oppose.

    If you want things to change then understand where those you don't agree with are coming from and argue the policies and the facts. Calling the otherside (particularly the voters) deplorables, racists, mysoginists etc only energises the base. I think that is where Trump is smart, I would guess he says a whole load of stuff he doesn't care about or even doesn't agree with, but if it gets the media and the democrats to call him or other republics names then he doesn't need to worry so much about policy or achievement, his base will be too focused on the reactions to what he says.
     
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    Agree
    ... but lets face it if Trump was not delivering in terms of ie stong economy, jobs, tax reforms etc he would not have a base

    Calling them deplorables was Clintons first mistake, and it struck. Now its uncivil.... some people never learn

    There has to be a reason to vote a party into office and Dems dont have any...... other than their agenda lets get Trump.... impeachment has become a great tool for supporters.

    Trump does not need to be a genious Dems are doing all the ground work.... good chance he will win 2020 what the experts are saying ... time will tell
     
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    This is not what draws his base. His base are made up of:

    - Wealthy above average income earner who benefited from a tax cut and the defunding of regulation

    - Extremist Christians to whom the outlawing of abortion and moving of the Israel embassy outweighs any sex scandal

    - Hardcore and disenfranchised working class who felt isolated and ignored by progressive Liberals, and are wanting someone else to blame for their predicament ... whether that be minority groups or the press or other countries ... and want to vent their frustration in a politically incorrect manner. That is why, often at his rallies, he leaves his sentences unfinished - this allows to attendees to fill in their own response and hence feel he is talking directly to them personally (used car salesman tactic 101) - he responds like a bully in a bar fight and they love it

    ... and that is his genius (although I hate to use that word)

    Why is Trump still so popular? He gives his base what they want | Cas Mudde
    'He mostly can do no wrong': Bradlee on Trump's devoted base in a Pennsylvania county
     
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    So if USA economy was tanking, jobs increasing, manufacturing in decline the deplorables would vote for Trump? Seriously, logic needs to be prevail... your reply is typical mantra which is regurgitated by the left and fake media. But it really does not matter who they are to be honest, its irrelevant at the end of the day.

    Now, if only they could get rid of the voters.

    MTR:)
     
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    Why do you call them deplorables and insist on calling fact "fake media"? What derogatory terms.

    The majority of his core voters are already in areas of decline, high unemployment, low income (the Republican held states have the highest levels of welfare) ... I outlined why they vote for him and the reasoning is logical.

    All representatives (both sides) need to fully understand why these people voted the way they did, before the country can unite itself again
     
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    Agree. Unemployment at 1960's levels, that's every kid leaving school gets a job. Never was supposed to happen again in modern western economies. Tax Cuts and deregulation are right up my alley.
     
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    Trump's base knows he won't be giving them tax cuts or jobs in their areas, but they stick with him anyway. They want to "drain the swamp" of politicians. They just don't seem to care that he is no different to a politician. Many are of a certain demographic and simply don't care what he has done, or will do.

    They are enjoying "winning" just as a fan base for a football team will chant and rally blindly.

    As a spectator, I'm sad for the US. Trump has brought out the worst in many people and allowed their prejudices to be aired. He has encouraged racism and given a green light to actions that would never have been tolerated before he came to power.

    And his party members, even those who openly disowned him before he came to office, are allowing and enabling him because it suits them and their aims. True hypocrites.
     
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    He has stirred a lot of people up but I disagree that he has encouraged racism
     
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    Perhaps you mean he has exposed racism ... it was festering there all along but, because of the actions of the leader, open racism has reached some form of approval
     
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