Taxi plates? Bad luck or greed?

Discussion in 'Other Asset Classes' started by TMNT, 24th Jul, 2018.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
  1. TMNT

    TMNT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    23rd Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    5,572
    Location:
    Melbourne
    I don't know the ins and outs of taxi plates but Ive got a good grasp of it.

    So Are the recent devaluations from an investment perspective, simply bad luck or they got greedy???
     
  2. DaveM

    DaveM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,761
    Location:
    Adelaide & Sydney
    The owners want to cry because for once there is some competition to their overpriced rubbish quality service. And they want the govt to compensate them for lost value as they tied up all their retirement money in plates.

    Maybe we should ask the govt to compensate us for lost value in shares or property too. Oh wait no, its called taking personal responsibility for our investment decisions
     
    Jess Peletier, R.C., LVR and 4 others like this.
  3. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    10,653
    Location:
    Gold Coast (Australia Wide)
    simple lack of foresight

    lets move on, all business models have their windows.



    ta
    rolf
     
    JohnPropChat likes this.
  4. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    27,249
    Location:
    Sydney or NSW or Australia

    There's no barrier to property or equities investments, taxi plates were a regulated industry which was affected by disruptors. Maybe bike shops should have sought compensation when (m)OFO or the other dockless bike hire companies hit the streets and car hire places being affected by go get & other car share companies with special dedicated parking spaces.
     
  5. willair

    willair Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,795
    Location:
    ....UKI nth nsw ....
    Maybe it's worth appreciating just how bad things can become and how quickly,and no different from any other investment..Not luck or greed just they never updated the business model and paid the cost ..
     
    LVR and Stoffo like this.
  6. Stoffo

    Stoffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Jul, 2016
    Posts:
    5,331
    Location:
    In the Tweed
    Will also need to compensate every Video shop that ever existed :p
     
    LVR and DaveM like this.
  7. devank

    devank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,670
    Location:
    Inner West - Sydney
    Sometimes I find Taxis to be easier. You just walk out the door (city) and get in. No need to book, wait and run across the road to find the right Uber.
    During peak times taxis are in fact cheaper too!
     
    Last edited: 24th Jul, 2018
    LVR and datto like this.
  8. TSK

    TSK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Apr, 2018
    Posts:
    625
    Location:
    VIC
    Bad luck that gov didn't destroy uber ..... Should of in my opinion, gov capitulated to external corp...taxi had to provide services to disabled where as uber didn't and could ban you for using service - hell taxis couldn't offer app with same functionality due to regulation...cherry picking clients etc. Looking forward to uber demise, they've really not got much of a product to be honest and burning vc cash at an alarming rate (all but end of car automation = not really much of a business model)
     
    Ghoti, Peter_Tersteeg and datto like this.
  9. hobartchic

    hobartchic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    11th Sep, 2017
    Posts:
    1,513
    Location:
    Hobart
    You know most dockless bike hire companies went bust about a week or so ago?
    oBike goes into liquidation amid mounting complaints

    So bike shops are going to be fine, or thrive.

    Uber certainly has challenges in India and other places:
    Uber's Biggest India Challenge Is Itself

    I think Uber will be a business to watch.
     
  10. Ace in the Hole

    Ace in the Hole Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    2,874
    Location:
    Sydney
    The risk vs reward towards the end would not have made much sense.
     
    Connor likes this.
  11. datto

    datto Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    23rd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,675
    Location:
    Mt Druuiitt
    Uber was an illegal business activity and the govt failed to stop it.

    If an ordinary citizen tried to do a uber, they would have been thrown in jail if they persisted.

    Unrestricted taxi plates in Sydney are going for 155K

    131008 Taxis

    I reckon they would be 700K if Uber weren't around.
     
    Sannie, LVR and TSK like this.
  12. willy1111

    willy1111 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    16th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    285
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Interestingly CAB cabcharge shares have started to rise again. Up circa 50% in the last 5 months.
     
  13. Zenith Chaos

    Zenith Chaos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    1,678
    Location:
    Sydney
    I've only experienced poor services in Taxis while finding Uber quite good and much cheaper. If I call an uber it comes, which isn't the case with pick and choose taxis.

    The reason Uber exists is because of how bad taxis are. It is bringing in innovative ideas such as pooling that will be better for the environment and reduce traffic. What are taxis doing?

    Yet you want it back to the good old days when taxis were a monopoly allowing them to charge exorbitant amounts including ripping people off (I've experienced this first hand multiple times) whilst providing a generally poor service.

    Competition makes things better. Let's hope taxis can reduce the ridiculous red tape and start competing to improve the service to a level Uber has proven it can be.

    Why should I pay a six figure sum for a license plate when at any time most of the garages in the country have a car sitting there unused?
     
    Harry30 and luckyone like this.
  14. PandS

    PandS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Feb, 2017
    Posts:
    1,165
    Location:
    NSW
    I think people on here are misinformed about the nature of taxi plate.

    taxi plate is a regulated investment, it is an investment where the government control the release of plate and pretty much set price for it, so when people buying a high price for a plate it is with that knowledge that it will be regulated and controlled so their high price investment is some what protected.

    Then Uber came a long and broken all the rules and the government failed to do their job to keep up their promises so these people deserve compo.

    now if you want to compare taxi compared it to NRAS, you bought into NRAS for that regulated protection payment then government said nah we stop playing NRAS now, we wont pay the incentives any more, we just build some cheaper housing for the tenants
     
    Sannie, rjw180 and PaulB like this.
  15. jprops

    jprops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    24th Sep, 2015
    Posts:
    895
    Location:
    Sydney
    Just wait till driverless cars become a thing... many many industries will suffer... but the world will be a better place. :)
     
  16. Peppas

    Peppas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    21st Dec, 2017
    Posts:
    187
    Location:
    Sydney
    I'm sure there are a few nice ones out there, but there's a reason why taxi drivers get considered scum of the earth. At least in my experiences with them.
     
  17. TSK

    TSK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Apr, 2018
    Posts:
    625
    Location:
    VIC
    Because they are required to provide a paid services to all, most importantly to people with disabilities. Uber is not your friend, they are a shady company that attempts to illegally destroy regulated markets with the intention of creating near monopoly like markets, dodge proper employee rights, recklessly endangered people with their poorly tested autonomous vehicles and suck up VC $ when other world changing products would be better funded, . Ignoring all the dodgy stuff they do so you can get a perceived cheaper ride says more about you as an individual than anything else.
     
  18. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    10,653
    Location:
    Gold Coast (Australia Wide)
    not mine I have to say

    ta
    rolf
     
  19. LVR

    LVR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    17th Jul, 2018
    Posts:
    89
    Location:
    world or bust
    how?
     
  20. Blueskies

    Blueskies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    24th Aug, 2015
    Posts:
    1,769
    Location:
    Brisbane
    In principle I think the competition uber has brought is a great thing. But I can definately understand why taxi plate owners are frustrated.

    Uber brought a business model that was essentially completely illegal. The government was typically slow in keeping up with regulating disruption and by the time they even considered how to treat Uber it was so popular and entrenched that the voting public wouldnt allow them to stop it.

    Meanwhile taxi plate owners were/are still held to a high cost restrictive set of regulations while their competitor has free reign. Competition is great but it should be a level playing field.
     
    rjw180 and Ghoti like this.