Tax Tip 6: Using Redraw to invest

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  1. Andy909

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    @Terry_w I couldn't find if you already answered this.
    I have an IP with $50k equity and want to redraw the equity to invest in Shares.
    My questions is more from bank's lending perspective: will the bank lend me the $50 k equity for share purchase?
    Thanks for your answer.
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    You will need to apply!

    and you must meet all the usual requirements such as income for serviceability and LVR. Its not a sure thing - just because you have equity doesn't necessarily mean you can borrow.
     
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    @Terry_w and other knowledgeable people of this forum, I need some guidance and help. I am starting to find my second IP and came across this post. My situation is as follows
    I have an investment property in a family trust with a loan of 300,000 (no offset account). I have parked 200,000 into this loan and I was going to use redraw to take out 80,000 to put in deposit for another investment property in my own name. Looking at this post it seems it is a not a good idea. So what should I do, should i cancel existing loan (don't know exact terminology) and get new loan with offset account for existing investment and put the extra 200,000 into the offset account, Can I then withdraw it from offset account when I need as deposit for other loan.
     
  4. Paul@PAS

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    You dont have a investment property in a trust. The trust owns it. You are confusing yourself with a trust. An asset risk perhaps ? The nature of how the trust is indebted to you for the funds introduced should be a factor in any advice.

    Few lenders will allow a person (lets call you a beneficiary) to access equity in a trust. It may be a breach of trust unless the trust can utilise the equity. And likely a non-deductible issue without some legal advice.
     
  5. jango

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    Thanks Paul, I am not trying to access the equity, I am only trying to withdraw my savings that I have parked into the loan temporarily.
     
  6. Terry_w

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    You have made some mistakes there, seek legal advice.
     
  7. jango

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    oh, I did not think it will be that bad. Anyone that you would recommend in Melbourne, preferably in the western suburbs. Do I need to talk to a lawyer or a special type of lawyer? Any advice/guidance will be helpful.
     
  8. Ouchmyknees

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    @Terry_w and other wise members of propertychat, I’m still unable to wrap my head around the redrew.
    Say my ppor loan has four splits of 100k each. I pay down split A to 0, then use the redraw facility to pay for expenses related to my investment property, mainly a large special levy of 20k but hoping to pay other expenses on a ongoing basis (making sure no detour of the money). So how is the claimable interested calculated? I suppose I can’t just claim interest on the whole 100k? But rather whatever expenses actually occurred and redrew out of the split?
     
  9. Terry_w

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    Swe. S 8-1itaa97 . Interest deductible to the extent in relates to investments
     
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    Thanks a lot Terry.
     
  11. Paul@PAS

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    Income producing investments !!!!!
     
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    Hi guys,

    mixed loans - a no-no.!

    1. But is there any way to quickly drawdown your offset against PPOR if time doesn't permit a loan split. Any workaround? How long are loan splits taking these days, is there a benchmark?

    2. What if the person is lending the money to their trust for investment? A loan agreement is required either way, but would this help with the exercise? Say if the person doesn't want to or can't refinance to rearrange their debt structure).

    Thanks!
     
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    1. mix and unmix later.

    2. not sure what you mean. Lending to another entity doesn't prevent mixing
     
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    How does one un-mix? Still a loan split?

    Yes sorry I wasn't very clear - I need to delve further into this one!
     
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  17. What does the fox say

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    I have 80k in my offset PPOR account and am looking to use that as a deposit for an IP.

    Can I assume that for me to convert that 80k that I have saved up as my IP deposit I should take the following steps;
    - Put the 80k into the main PPOR loan
    - Request to redraw it as equity release into a new account and specifically use it for deductible use such as deposit, legals etc?

    Without a LOC facility, is that the best option to turn my extra funds into good debt as I seek to buy an IP?

    Thanks!
     
  18. Terry_w

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    I wouldn't assume that without getting some tax advice!
     
  19. What does the fox say

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    Thanks Terry. Any particular tax tip thread you can point me towards that describes a similar situation where one is attempting to not use their own cash and 'borrow it' to make it deductible?
     
  20. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    see my tax tip 1 for starters and there are more - but i am not in front of my list atm
     
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