Tax Tip 372: The Extra Compounding that can Occur with Bucket Companies

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  1. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    A company that is not trading will generally pay a maximum tax rate of 30% whereas an individual will generally pay a maximum of 47%.

    That means that on an equivalent income a company can pay 17% tax less than an individual.

    Imagine an extreme case where there is $100,000 investment income generated.

    If this was taxed in the hands of an individual already on the top marginal tax rate it would result in $47,000 in tax.

    If it were taxed in the hands of a company it would result in $30,000 in tax payable.

    That is $17,000 in tax saved – per year.

    Imagine how much extra capital there would be if this went on for 10 years.

    In the first year there would be $17,000 extra capital to invest, then that $17,000 would be reinvested and be compounding so in the second year there would be $17,000 plus the extra return on $17,000 plus another $17,000 saved as well. It would snowball.


    Example

    Nelson has inherited $1mil. He is working as an aid worker helping a charity set up with the sole aim to help the poor with him being on a $400,000 salary. So he is on the top marginal tax rate and any extra earnings would be taxed at 47%.

    Nelson sets up a discretionary trust to do the investing. He ummed and aahed about it for ages as he is a loner with no family and no friends – even the poor don’t like him. So he would effectively be the only beneficiary the trust would ever distribute to, other than a company.

    He is a good investor and causes the trust to earn $100,000 in income in year 1. He causes the trust to distribute to a bucket company he sets up with a second trust as the shareholder.

    $100,000 goes to the company and $70,000 is left over after $30,000 tax.

    The company invests this itself rather than lending it back to the trust.

    So in year 2 the company generated $7,000 income on this $70,000 and pays $2,100 in tax so it has $4,900 after tax, plus it receives $100,000 from the trust again and pays $30,000 tax on that. At the end of year 2 it would have $70,000 plus $4,900 plus $70,000 = $144,900

    Had Nelson caused the trust to distribute to himself he would have paid $47,000 in tax and be left with $53,000 to reinvest. He might still generate a 10% return but that would mean only $5,300 in income before tax or $2,809 after. At the end of year 2 he would have $53,000 plus $2,809 plus $53,000 or $108,809


    You should be able to see that by using a bucket company there is more capital left over and this allows greater compounding.

    Next, I will show how this can still benefit people like Nelson when eventually it all comes out of the company and extra top up tax is payable.
     
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  2. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Companies can indefinately DEFER final tax payable provided Division 7A isnt impacted. If the profits are retained until the persons cease income earning it may even be possible to get a partial or full REFUND of the company tax already paid. This limited to low income persons as once the marginal tax rate of the individual exeeds 30% shortfal tax may apply. Under that value (eg property losses etc) this can mean smaller dividends can allow shareholders refund of all the franking.

    Div7A is a Part of tax law which taxes funds "taken" from a company as if they were a dividend and it can lead to lost franking as a penalty.