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Share driveway for splited blocks

Discussion in 'Development' started by melbourne171, 19th Oct, 2016.

  1. melbourne171

    melbourne171 Well-Known Member

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    My town planner sent me a driveway sketch as below with comment:

    "although (driveways) may not be too popular for the market as it would involve an easement but it would be capable of getting an approval. It’s no worse than we might see in a dual occupancy or a multiple dwelling"

    What do you think about final product and market acceptance?

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  2. Agent30yrs.

    Agent30yrs. Well-Known Member

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    Is it because they will only allow one cross over ? If so perhaps this is better .... still involves an easement but a lot less intrusive ...
     

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    Agreed with @30yrAgent - much more appealing than an offset driveway (you're going to cost yourself money if you are just trying to retain the existing rather than value-adding by providing a neater solution).
     
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    Are you sure they're a town planner? (and not 5yo)
    @30yrAgent did a far superior and professional job ;)
     
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  5. melbourne171

    melbourne171 Well-Known Member

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    This is an alternative option in case council does not allow a new driveway due to street crossing in front of the block.
    How much negative impact on the final product price?
     
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    Doing almost the exact same thing with one of our current developments. Its a narrow frontage so we have to have a shared part of the driveway which utilises the driveway already there plus widen it, then when the driveway approaches the house boundaries they veer off to each side. Only way it will work. Negative impact to the development will be minimal from our assessment and we've allowed for it in the numbers.
     
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    In the example by @30yrAgent and @Leo2413 virtually none, as they are clearly on the boundary and unlikely to ever get parked in.

    In the town planners design significant, as in I wouldn't look to purchase or reside in either unit !

    If you are looking at a $$ estimate of loss V's the cost to move the crossing.......
    I don't remember the suburb or area.
    I would try to move the crossing and not risk it
     
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    melbourne171 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your contributition. Just want to listen to others' ides and taste before making my own decision.

    Leo, how wide your lot frontage?
     
  9. Leo2413

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    12.5m and widens out quick.
     
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    If that's what your planner suggested - get yourself another planner. It is wrong on so many levels!
     
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    melbourne171 Well-Known Member

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    As the IP is on a main road, a traffic engineer has advised that Council would allow one share driveway only. I cannot put another new driveway accessing into the block. Do you know if it is right?
     
  12. Scott No Mates

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    What you have been advised by the traffic engineer is correct, they will permit only one driveway to the block. The TP is 'saving' you money by reusing the existing crossover but is effectively costing you more because it is not the best solution as buyers will not pay a premium for a driveway which goes across the next door block.

    It is correct that you only have one crossover to the property, what is not correct is that you have to use the existing. There is nothing to stop you putting in a new crossover and shared driveway in the middle of the block and to replace the old crossover with kerb and gutter - satisfying the traffic engineer requirements (unless the new cross over is too close to an intersection or other traffic hazard).
     
  13. Marg4000

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    Have you asked your town planner why he recommended this as the best solution?
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  14. melbourne171

    melbourne171 Well-Known Member

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    Can everyone read my previous post?
     
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    A negative to both blocks, reflected in desirability and price achieved.
    One loses the full use of his block of land.
    The other loses access in the case of the driveway being blocked for whatever reason.
    Both probably subject to easements.
    Who pays if there is damage to the shared portion?
    Or one wants to upgrade the surface and the other doesn't?
    Marg
     
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    Yep, well in my case I would gladly put in a new (more conventional) cross over however there are some trees there that will not be allowed to be removed , so this is pretty much the only solution. I don't think its too bad as the only shared part is the cross over and as soon as it approaches the home boundaries they separate so both sides never enter each other's land.
     
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    @Leo2413 - yes, it becomes a problem when you don't own the trees on the road reserve.
     
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    The subdivision of front and rear lots also requires a share drive way. I agree that it is better to have separate driveways that I would like to achieve it. However, share driveway is a backup plan for us. And it is not worse than front and rear lots subdivision.

    I did front and rear lots subdivision before. A share driveway is common property that required share maintenance and insurance by both owners.
     
  19. melbourne171

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    Also TP has told me the road is not State controlled road. So, 2 driveways are possible if we can prove the safety for a new driveway.

    Will post the photo tonight to ask for your other ideas about my case.
     
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    This is the site layout. Any idea for driveway for dwelling 2? existing plan.jpg