Request from tenant for disabled person modifications

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  1. db9

    db9 Well-Known Member

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    Too busy looking at your shoes and not looking up while you're walking... Look up man, you've got a tenant that needs to live safely and comfortably and a property to fulfill this (and paying you dividends). If you go ahead with all of this do you think the tenant will aim to look for somewhere else to live at next rent increase? Nah...

    What are you goals? How does worrying about this help you or anyone really? Think big.
     
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    My partner is an occupational therapist, specialising in home mods. Suction rails are a big no no. It won't happen.
    Do some research, OP. There's actually some really stylish rails available, including vertical ones which look like a part of the shower. They don't have to be ugly beige.
    If it was my partner buying your property in the future, she'd consider it a value adder, but people are very nearsighted, and don't think about how they're going to remain in their PPOR once they've lost mobility and their house isn't equipped properly.

    Here's some examples:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/eb/a3/ae/...0ec97--tiles-for-bathrooms-bathroom-ideas.jpg
    https://www.acessinc.com/Images/shampooshelfdisplayphoto_000.jpg
    And more here
    ADA compliant grab bars... that don't really look like grab bars. Bathroom safety doesn't have to look boring and universal designing can be done t… | Pinteres…
     
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  3. Scott No Mates

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    I was going to say that too. What would happen if one pulled off the wall?

    I've been grateful for hobless showers, frameless glass and being able to put a chair in the shower.

    I've considered putting rails into the house a number of times.
     
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    Regarding suction rails:
    In NZ my Mum goes to a store that only sells mobility and ability aids and they sell the suction rails. They are very very strong.
     
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    If it isn't possible to put a rail on the wall for the toilet, then mobility shops sell a toilet safety frame that sits on the floor around the toilet creating a couple of rails to help a person to raise and lower themselves.

    It is removable and doesn’t attach to the wall.
     
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    If it's cheap to install, leaves no damage to repair then it is all too easy for this class of tenant to move OB to another property. The more that is committed to semi-permanent works, the less likely it becomes (or harder) for them to want to change properties.
     
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    Those are lovely. However, I suspect the Peninsula Health budget won't stretch to $150 for a single chrome grab rail.

    I put in the recommended noggins in my toilet walls for standard toilet grab rails to future proof my home a bit. These were for a grab rail that is horizontal next to the toilet and angling upwards towards the front of the toilet. Like you get in public toilets. It’s the shape as well as the colour that makes it look so 'medical'.

    The toilet grab rails in the links above are much shorter. Perhaps because they are fitted to an existing frame rather than adding extra noggins etc?
     
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    They have their place, but in this case it seems the tenant has a quite severe mobility issue. Suction ones are meant to be a short term solution. No qualified OT would ever recommend the suction ones, though, so i doubt in this case the OP would able to satisfy the requirements from Peninsula Health.
     
  9. wylie

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    Those grab rails in the post from @ShireBoy would be okay with me. It is the typical chrome hospital style grab rails that just shout "hospital" that I'd really not want to add to a nice bathroom.

    I wonder if water gets into the fixing areas? That would worry me a little.

    As long as nothing shouted "hospital" or "nursing home" I'd be happy to add for a good tenant.

    But unless my IP was in an area where next tenant might need similar aids, I'd want everything to either look good enough that it doesn't detract from the other fittings, or could be easily removed.
     
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    It's no different to the interface between the taps of the shower unit and the tiles. A bead of silicon around the tile hole, and a gromet/gasket underneath the actual hardware.
     
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    Agree. But I've also seen how badly a shower can leak if the taps/spout are not sealed correctly. I guess you just have to ensure it is done properly.
     
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    Get it powder coated or sprayed to match the other tapered if it's such a big issue. My tapware is SS so bright chrome finish is required other bathroom is SCP.
     
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    Sorry Wiley, the elderly and persons who have disbilities live in every suburb.
     
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    And on any day, any of us could break a leg, have a knee operation etc.

    It's not just the elderly.
     
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    I do understand that, but in all the years I've been a landlord, I've never had one tenant ask for grab rails. I think there would be certain areas or property types (perhaps low set villas or similar) that older renters would gravitate to. We have Queenslanders with lots of stairs, so perhaps we don't attract that older demographic.

    ... and I'm getting to the age bracket where I might need a grab rail, so I'm not saying it is not a good idea. But like many things, you can try to a "less ugly" grab rail I guess.
     
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    Absolutely. But I doubt someone who's broken a leg or had a knee operation would be asking for a 'permanent' solution or modification made to a rental, for something that they will recover from in a month or three.

    That would be where the suction rails or "over toilet chair" would be suitable.
     
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    I agree. My father had these for years before he passed.. they worked very well.
     
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    I know Wylie, only teasing you.
     
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    Thank you for all the responses everyone. I guess I will have to allow the modifications (they were in a wheelchair when they rented the house - shouldn't they have asked then????). I really just want to protect the downside of me having to pay out myself to make the house more attractive to future tenants.
     
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    You then advertise it as "Wheelchair-friendly" if it really is wheelchair-friendly. Can a chair get over the door sills and is the hallway and doorways wide enough? If not, leave the rails and call it disabled-friendly. Either way it will be highly sort-after and may also command higher-than-otherwise rent.

    Given the negative feelings shown here, it is possible that the tenants didnt dare ask you at first. They were possibly afraid you would rent it to someone else.
     
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