Remove a name from NSW property title: Consequences?

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  1. Mike Robertson

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    What are the tax, stamp duty and other legal or financial implications for this scenario?

    Two sisters' names are both on a Sydney property title they have jointly owned for 25 years. Sister A lives there to this day. She is on a disability pension.( The property has never been rented).

    Sister B has not lived in the property for 20 years after marrying and moving out. Sister B would now like to remove her name from the title leaving sister A 's name on the title.

    Would removing sister B s name from the title trigger: 1: stamp duty 2: Capital gains tax 3. What happens to sister A's disability pension given she has acquired sister B's share of the property? Does it impact on her 'primary place of residence' ( not assessed for her pension) status? Any other advice? Thanks !
     
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    Removing a ownership interst will affect

    1. CGT since B can only possible claim a old period of exempt use. Even if she gifts to A. Market value is generally to be used.
    2. Gifting from B to A may affect assets tests for A and could affcet B if she has or may have a age pension entitlement in the next 5 years
    3. Stamp duty for A for 50% of the value of the property she acquires based on market value

    Contracts would need to be drawn up. This matters requires legal and tax advice. The nature of how A & B acquired their shares may need exploration eg if it was deceased estate and there was a issue with life interests etc
     
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    When you say 'remove from title' what do you mean?
    A transfer of beneficial ownership will trigger duty, be a CGT event but a change of legal title without a change in beneficial ownership won't.

    Is the property mortgaged? If so a new loan application would be needed if title changes.
     
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    The property is not mortgaged. Can sister B retain 'beneficial' ownership by declaring she paid for half the property and it was her place of residence for a time, AND now remove her name from the title? So this would not trigger stamp duty or CGT ? Thanks again. much appreciated!
     
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    Get some legal advice. Does she want to transfer her beneficial interest
     
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    Not necessarily . But agree we need to speak to a legal expert!
     
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    If not what is the purpose of the transfer?
     
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    Sisters A&B bought the property together as it was more affordable. But 20 years on for B it would be counted in an assets test( eg pension). B has not made a capital gain, the property has never been rented and no sale of her 'half' to A has taken place. Therefore she wants to know if removing her name is possible without incurring huge costs ( SD, CGT) - that neither can afford due to their financial situations.
     
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    Remaining beneficial owner will mean it counts for the assets test
     
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    So leave beneficial ownership, but change title and this won't trigger costs CGT, SD . And, note to self - get advice from expert too.
     
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    That won't achieve much.
     
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    Removing a owner is a transfer of legal title. Market value is used. The question to ask is - what will it cost ?

    Legal fees, duty, CGT and impact on pensions etc. Asking on a forum is bound to end with concerns. Its likely something to seek legal, tax and pension advice on. Before acting.
    A capital gain isnt concerned with rental income. If B hasnt lived there then its a taxable event as a main residence exemption only applies to A (based on market value) who isnt selling so A wont have a CGT issue but B will and understanding this issue would be wise as it is just one potential cost. B doesnt have to receive money to have a CGT issue. CGT doesnt just apply to a "sale". Ceasing to hold a legal interest is sufficient.