PPOR CGT exemption when selling but paying out JV

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  1. TheMango

    TheMango Well-Known Member

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    Hello all, here is a little chestnut for you..

    I have found a great spot to build a house and make a profit. Here’s the plan: I don’t have enough cash so my friend has offered to go halves with me. Basically we need 200k cash to do the deal, so he will give me 100k. I am wondering if I can buy the land and build in my name, then live in it for 3 months so as to claim the PPOR CGT exemption. Then I will sell the house, pay no tax, and then repay my friend his 100k plus half of the profit that I made. Is this a legitimate way of doing things or will I run afoul of the tax man? Interested in hearing all your thoughts... thank you :)
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    sounds like revenue to me rather than capital gains so no main residence exemption. Your friend would be taxed on his income too.
     
  3. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    TD 92/135. Not a CGT asset. No main residence. A profit making intention. As Terry alludes to its possible double taxation could also apply. As its new construction GST also applies. (I assume a new construction not a basic reno)
     
  4. TheMango

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    Bummer! They certainly get their share. Let’s say we were to do 3 of the same sort of deal, one every 6 months. Would we then be classed as a business and pay full company tax?
     
  5. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    only if you were a company.
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    There are three types of property sales

    1. Capital gain
    2. Business income ie not a CGT issue. repetitive in nature etc.
    3. Isolated profit making - neither a CGT issue or a business issue includes "one off" profit making etc

    The use of a company concerns ownership of property perhaps. You are confusing a entity with what it does to make income. I doubt the matter is a business tax issue as it seems more like a isolated profit making issue. These are fundamentals of tax law long long before CGT was bought it. CGT is a "modern" tax. Income tax is way older.

    and... "you" cant be a company. thats like saying I can be my sister. They are different persons.
     
  7. TheMango

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    Thanks Paul, appreciate the explanation. You said you doubt the matter is a business tax issue as it seems more like an isolated profit making issue - so does that mean that any profit just gets treated as income?
    What would it take for it to be classed more as a business tax issue - would it be doing multiple developments at once, or doing one every six months, or once a year etc - is the main criteria just that they are repetitive and similar? Appreciate your time and expertise!
     
  8. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    "business tax issue" is no a phrase that is used

    see

    Tax Tip 92: Property as Trading Stock Tax Tip 92: Property as Trading Stock

    Tax Tip 143: The sale of a property – Capital or Revenue account? Tax Tip 143: The sale of a property – Capital or Revenue account?

    Tax Tip 157: Difference on being taxed Capital v Revenue Account Tax Tip 157: Difference on being taxed Capital v Revenue Account

    Tax Tip 334: The Main Residence Exemption Doesn’t Apply to Property held on Revenue Account Tax Tip 334: The Main Residence Exemption Doesn’t Apply to Property held on Revenue Account
     
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    Pretty much void Main residence exemption when your intention is to make a profit.
     
  10. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    I explained the three different ways property sales arise. Isolated profit making and business sales are similiar as they are both "ordinary income". The busienss will also have a different timing issue as sales are based on settled sales not contracted. Isolated profit making is a contrat date base sale. Busins income may also be eleigible for small busienss concessions eg offsetsetc

    Until someone advises a sale is a business sale then assume its isolated profit making. Seek personal tax advice as a normal function of commencing and operating a business if you are unsure. Its not normally wise for a developer doing multiple devs to blend them togther either.