Pets with references

Discussion in 'Property Management' started by qak, 19th Feb, 2018.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
Tags:
  1. qak

    qak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    1st Jun, 2017
    Posts:
    1,678
    Location:
    Sydney
    Received an application with two mid-large dogs.

    Provided "references" - written by the owner (saying how beautiful & lovely they are), and the vet who says they have seen them several times in the last five years and they were well behaved at the time.

    Would you accept these? It's an inner-city property, not a unit, and has a small paved yard.
     
  2. D.T.

    D.T. Specialist Property Manager Business Member

    Joined:
    3rd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    9,190
    Location:
    Adelaide and Gold Coast
    Of course the owners going to say they're nice. Always ask the previous PM / LL what the pets were like.

    I love accepting pets and wish more people would (with the proper checks of course), but if its a unit with a paved courtyard , where do they think the dogs will poo? I dont think mid-large dogs are right for this particular property - maybe a cat would work.
     
    EN710, Perthguy and Marg4000 like this.
  3. Marg4000

    Marg4000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,421
    Location:
    Qld
    Two mid to large dogs seem wrong for a property with only a small paved courtyard.

    And I would not put much faith in references from the owner or vet who would not see very much of them - several times in five years? Check with previous PMs to see if they had any complaints from neighbours if you intend to accept their application.
    Marg
     
    Perthguy and D.T. like this.
  4. chrish

    chrish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Nov, 2017
    Posts:
    47
    Location:
    Perth
    What breeds? 2 dogs seems like a lot for a small property.
     
  5. jodes

    jodes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    23rd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    315
    Location:
    Sydney
    Short of the PM calling previous landlords, I'm not sure what else the owner could provide that would seem legit- even written references can be faked.

    We have a medium size dog and have a resume for him- it's all true but who knows if people believe it!

    And on two dogs with a small paved courtyard- we live in an apartment with no outdoor space. But we are religious about taking our dog out for long walks in the morning and evening and don't leave him at home for too long at a time- in some ways I think we overcompensate for not having the backyard. I compare this with other people with dogs who have a backyard but don't get walked all that often - because they rely on the backyard. People can make it work!
     
    EN710 and chrish like this.
  6. chrish

    chrish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Nov, 2017
    Posts:
    47
    Location:
    Perth
    I agree with @jodes whether a pet will be good/bad depends a lot on the owner. It's a tricky problem and also depends a lot on how precious you are about the property. Personally I would pick 2 dogs over 2 kids any day!
     
  7. qak

    qak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    1st Jun, 2017
    Posts:
    1,678
    Location:
    Sydney
    Racing dogs ...
     
  8. chrish

    chrish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Nov, 2017
    Posts:
    47
    Location:
    Perth
    Hm they might be ok. I believe Greyhounds can only be adopted after they have retired from racing, so more likely to be adopted by a caring owner. Also check what google has to say, here's one link I found:
    Greyhound FAQ – We Adopt Greyhounds, Inc.
    Ultimately it's up to you to decide with the information you have at hand.
     
  9. KayTea

    KayTea Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Aug, 2015
    Posts:
    1,204
    Location:
    Inside my head
    Greyhounds?

    We have 2 Whippets (miniature Greyhounds - about half the size) - they are very happy to laze about all day (that's why we chose the breed). The thing is, they don't need long walks, either - 10 minutes off the leash in a fence dog-yard at the park, and they are completely stuffed for hours to come.

    But I can tell you one of the reasons I think these breeds are so skinny - their food goes straight through them. I've never seen 2 dogs produce so much poop!
     
    Tom Rivera likes this.
  10. JDM

    JDM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jan, 2016
    Posts:
    465
    Location:
    Brisbane
    To answer your question, yes I would accept them. My opinion is probably biased given I'm an animal lover though.

    I think you can take the references with a grain of salt and focus more on whether you are happy to have pets in the property. Allowing pets can be a great way to minimise vacancy periods and achieve top of market rent.
     
  11. pwnitat0r

    pwnitat0r Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    27th Nov, 2016
    Posts:
    323
    Location:
    Sydney
    They are greyhounds?

    Never had one, but from all reports of people who have them they are very low maintenance dogs... they take them to the park for 15mins to run around, then they're done and happy to sleep on the couch all day.
     
  12. highlighter

    highlighter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    2nd Jun, 2016
    Posts:
    930
    Location:
    Australia
    Australia has this weird thing about not accepting pets? Personally I'd never refuse them. I'd just make sure you have a good agreement about how any damage will be handled. If they're greyhounds they tend to be very lazy, placid dogs.
     
    EN710 and D.T. like this.
  13. EN710

    EN710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,218
    Location:
    Melburn
    If their application is good and the property in general is suitable for pets (enclosed yard, no carpet/ old carpet, etc), I'd consider them.

    I was told that greyhounds are mostly couch potato. We have seen many owners bringing them in local oval and most usually very well behaved.They have had them for 5 years so not necessarily first time owner.
     
  14. mikey7

    mikey7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    30th Mar, 2016
    Posts:
    1,173
    Location:
    Sydney, Brisbane
    If the property is suitable then I'd accept them. My IP's have large backyards, so I'm happy to accept big dogs.
    I wouldn't if it was a tiny backyard.
     
    Marg4000 likes this.
  15. Tom Rivera

    Tom Rivera Property Manager Business Member

    Joined:
    1st Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    2,718
    Location:
    South East Queensland
    - Do they have rental references from agencies who can comment on the Dogs previously, especially if it's in a similar style of property.
    - Does the unit have carpet and do you mind that the dogs will almost certainly be mostly inside.

    I'm a huge pet lover and accept pets in all but two properties I manager, but I would be on the fence about this. They are an appropriate breed for a smaller house/yard but you're really relying on the owners being extra responsible.
     
  16. inertia

    inertia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,617
    Location:
    Newcastle, NSW
    Aus is a bit weird in this respect. We have a long way to catch up when it comes to a lifestyle of renting. When I was living in the UK, our apartment block had heaps of dogs living in it - including a huge mastiff (I think). I found them to be incredibly well behaved, possibly because they are more socialised, their owners take them everywhere - they're not just abandoned in a backyard.

    Cheers,
    Inertia
    - just got a rescue dog this past weekend.
     
    EN710 and highlighter like this.
  17. qak

    qak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    1st Jun, 2017
    Posts:
    1,678
    Location:
    Sydney
    We did say no ... we are not pet people here, but I gather from my own research that greyhounds are indeed typically very placid. We have previously rejected a dog at a different address.

    The dog owner wasn't the applicant, the applicant's income wasn't really adequate in our opinion: after paying our rent & tax there wouldn't be much left over.