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NAB - 0.29% for all interest only loans - IP and PPOR

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  1. Mick C

    Mick C Well-Known Member

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    DAME!!! from NAB....

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    Variable and fixed rate changes - coming soon


    We’re making changes to our variable and fixed rates. These changes are in response to industry and regulator concerns to temper growth in investor lending.


    What’s changing?

    • Interest rates on Interest Only (Investor and Owner Occupier) home loans and Line of Credit facilities will be increasing by 29bps, effective 10 August 2015 for new customers.
    • Interest Only fixed rates for new customers will also increase by 29bps, effective 10 August 2015.
    • Existing variable rate loans with Interest Only repayments will increase by 29bps for the duration of the Interest Only period, effective from 10 September 2015.
    • Existing interest only applications impacted by the recent increase to investor pricing will be adjusted accordingly to reflect a total 29bps increase.
    More information & updated interest rates
     
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    Whats the world coming to?
     
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    Is it possible for people with investment loans to refinance to e.g. loans.com.au or other online lenders ? I still see loans.com.au advertise their rate as 4.02% ? What is the disadvantage of refinancing with them instead of remaining with CBA or NAB ?
     
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    Wow!

    In a bad way.....
     
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    Scary start:mad:
     
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  6. Mick C

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    I would wait a bit first....what happens when you refinance the online lenders also follows ( they dont need to as not regulated by ARPA...but can do so to get a bigger cut in the profit...)

    I would def consider smaller banks and online banks after a couple of weeks once all the rate policy are announced
     
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    I think this would depend on how much your leveraging.

    Is refi cost worth the switch for a lower rate?
     
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    Just amazing that loans.com.au can have 4.02% .... Anyone has an experience with them ?
     
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    I've just submit application to NAB 4.63% variable which got pre approved before policy change. Should I change it?
     
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    If the 'dislike' icon is active, you will get 100000 dislike for a single Post :p

    I note:
    • Existing variable rate loans with Interest Only repayments will increase by 29bps for the duration of the Interest Only period, effective from 10 September 2015.

    This is bit different to ANZ, Mac and CBA? So for my IP loan, if I elect to switch my IP Loan to P&I, then I am not affected (for now) and still maintain my already 'negotiated' discount?

    do nothing, refinance, change to P&I, fixed for 2-3 years....so many options to think about?

    would people consider change to P&I until the APRA saga is done and dusted in the next 1,2 few years?
    In a way I thought NAB response to APRA is more creative than others.. thoughts?
     
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    I don't think the negotiated discount changes.
     
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  12. leon brown

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    what are the odds of regulated lenders switching all I/O loans to P/I regardless of the
    remaining I/O period ?
     
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  13. Mick C

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    1. No changes t your "negotiated discount" regardless of changes or not..
    - NAB will just increase the rate for their " interest in arrears loans" ( that's the name of the loan for I/O with NAB)

    2. Is 0.29% worth the P/I?? plan ahead please....tax reasons? servicing?
    - If you make it an IP in the future you will have less tax deduction
    - Reduce servicing and possibly equity
    - Rate changes all the time....
     
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  14. Mick C

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    low chance...as the contact that was signed was for 5 years I.O etc...
    A contract is a contract at the end of the day..
    So hence negotiated discount can't and wont change as well...unless a new contract is drawn up.

    Note All banks contract does state the "standard variable rate" ( ie reference rate) Can change at any time at the banks discretion.
     
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    @Mick C, this applies to existing fixed rate period, that any bank would not go near and change the rates, terms/condition within a fixed rate period?
     
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    Online lenders have a limited funding source. Their funders in the debt capital markets are demanding higher margins, just based on latest deals I've seen in the securitisation market.
     
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  17. Johann @ Hybrix

    Johann @ Hybrix Well-Known Member Business Member

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    You will find that loans.com will tighten or if not pull out of investing lending.
     
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  18. Mick C

    Mick C Well-Known Member

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    Yep.
    Fixed rate contracts are the same as variable with the extra " break cost and fix period" clauses added.

    ^ Spot on...
    Rates with online lenders will go up...some without notice for existing and new...just look at the GFC>

    The Securitisation market is very sensitive right now specially from Japaneses investors given the 0% rate ...
     
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  19. kr11

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    so does that mean nab is targeting all i/o loans regardless of ppor or i/o whereas cba and anz are not touching i/o ppor loans?

    thanks
     
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  20. Mick C

    Mick C Well-Known Member

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    Correct
     
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