Have you had "the jab"? Tell us your symptoms

I don't know - probably because of the 4.5 million people who have died from COVID around the world in the past 18 months?

I am not a doctor either - but I do read the stuff that the doctors and medical experts publish.

From https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...ricarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines_0.pdf

COVID-19 itself is associated with a substantially higher risk of myocarditis and other cardiac complications compared to vaccination. COVID-19 is estimated to cause myocarditis at a rate of 11.0 events per 100,000 persons (risk ratio 18.28; 95% CI, 3.95 - 25.12), while Comirnaty (Pfizer) has been estimated to cause myocarditis at an overall rate of 2.7 events per 100,000 persons (risk ratio 3.24; 95% CI 1.55 to 12.44).

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Myocarditis and pericarditis are also commonly seen in the general population from a variety of causes, and not all cases that occur after vaccination are necessarily caused by the vaccine. The estimated ‘background rate’ of myocarditis or pericarditis for females aged 18-34 years is 16 per 100,000 person years (95% prediction interval 8-32), and for males aged 18-34 years is 37 per 100,000 person years (16 – 88).

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Prognosis and long term follow up

There are currently no available data on the long-term outcomes of people who have had myocarditis and/or pericarditis after an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. A number of large studies monitoring outcomes are currently being undertaken in the United States and Canada. Importantly, most people who have had myocarditis and/or pericarditis due to other causes recover completely and have no ongoing impairment of cardiac function, and early data suggest this is likely for those cases associated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.​

It's not as if myocarditis is a new condition - it is quite well known and there are well defined tests and treatments for it. The evidence so far seem to indicate that there is generally not a cause for concern about long term health impacts from myocarditis.

 

That's unusual - although not impossible for it to be that long after vaccination. The median time seems to be around 3-4 days.

It could also be something else completely unrelated to the vaccine - as I mentioned, the background rate of myocarditis in the community is far higher than the occurance of myocarditis after vaccination - there are plenty of other things that cause myocarditis.

Going to the gym after being diagnosed with myocarditis is a pretty foolish thing to do.

 

As far as I've read we aren't being advised to get booster shots at this stage, so, jokes aside, it would be good to hear what your doctor actually did say, why the recommendation for what I guess is a booster?

 

@Lizzie I can't help but wonder if Moderna was considered as an alternative?

 

Is Moderna even available in the regional areas?

 

One disease vs every other disease in the world? Okay then.

Let's look at some actual data:

The top 10 causes of death



"High-income countries" include the following (out of 80 countries defined as high income by the World Bank) - all of whom have seen significant deaths from this new disease.

• 725.8K United States
• 139.0K United Kingdom
• 131.6K Italy
• 118.2K France
• 94.7K Germany
• 76.1K Poland
• 37.6K Chile
• 30.6K Czech Republic
• 30.4K Hungary
• 28.6K Canada

Between these 10 "high income" countries, that's 1.4 million deaths so far.

So, only Ischaemic heart disease; Stroke and Chromic obstructive pulmonary disease kill more people each year than we've seen die from COVID over the past 18 months or so.

You can't dismiss COVID.

You keep repeating that there is "no mild myocarditis" - and yet this is not what is being reported by the TGA whose job it is to monitor this stuff.

From COVID-19 vaccine weekly safety report - 14-10-2021

Most of the patients with myocarditis experienced symptoms within 3 days of vaccination. Less than half required treatment in hospital and of those most were discharged within 4 days.
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What's more important is that COVID has caused a huge surge in myocarditis cases in the US (pre-vaccine).

Association Between COVID-19 and Myocarditis...

Myocarditis inpatient encounters were 42.3% higher in 2020 than in 2019. During March 2020–January 2021, the period that coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients diagnosed with COVID-19 during an inpatient or hospital-based outpatient encounter and 0.009% among patients who were not diagnosed with COVID-19.



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9 cases of COVID per 100,000 patients is the "background rate" in the community - not from COVID or vaccination.

So far we've seen a total of 1.2 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 patients in Australia from all doses, and about 1.6 per 100,000 from 2nd doses. That rises to around 7.5 cases per 100,000 specifically in teenage males (much less for other age groups and for females).

But in the US they saw 150 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 patients who had COVID-19.

So while the risk of myocarditis in teenage boys after mRNA vaccination is a lot higher than for the rest of the community - it is still of the order of 21 times lower than the risk of myocarditis from getting COVID itself.

So yes, this absolutely does require monitoring - the TGA release weekly updates on this every Thursday - but vaccination is still by far the safest approach, even for teenage boys.

As I've mentioned - I have a teenage son who is extremely athletic (as in, top-5 in Australia for his age group in his chosen athletic events), so we are monitoring this situation very carefully ourselves too. My son is due for his 2nd dose of Pfizer in about 10 days.