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Furnished with Bills Included

Discussion in 'Innovative Techniques' started by Melbpositivegeared, 20th Mar, 2016.

  1. Melbpositivegeared

    Melbpositivegeared Well-Known Member

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    I'm doing a quick feaso on a large unit block of strata titled 1 bed apartments.
    This area seems to show potential for a demand in furnished with bills included leases.
    I do this already on one of my properties - however I've not explored this on 1 bedder units.
    Any advice on what I could expect bills to cost?
    It's already separately metred meaning I get to keep a close eye on my tenants habits.
    I believe the market will allow a $200pm premium to do so... What are your thoughts on actual expenses?
     
  2. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    That's only $46 a week which could easily be eaten up by gas/electricity/water plus the outlay of furniture.
    I think the premium is too low.
    You also encounter much higher PM fees on a furnished property unless you were going to self manage?
     
  3. Melbpositivegeared

    Melbpositivegeared Well-Known Member

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    It's $46 but when you X that by 9 units it's a lot. I'm curious what people's experience is with bills on a one bedder as I've only seen it on my 3 bedder.
    Not worried about the cost of furnishing- more the bills
     
  4. Westminster

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    Appliances and air con weigh into the calculations a lot. I know if power was included in my rent I'd probably like to live at 24 degrees 365 days a year - the only thing that stops me using my air con is that I have to pay the power bill :)
    So in a 1 bedroom apartment you have 1 fridge, 1 air con, one HWS, 1 tv, 1 washing machine. This number of appliances is pretty much the same in a 2 or 3 bedder - the main difference would be in amount of water used between a 1 bedder and a 3 bedder.
    I would guestimate a 1 bedder would use half of what a 3 bedder uses, not a third.
     
  5. JohnPropChat

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    Agree with Westminister. If you have 9 units you also have 9 times more bills unless you plan to have a large array of solar panels and a wind turbine :)
     
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    if it included bills i would leave heating and AC on whenever i am at home and have full bathtub soaks daily. i remember there were three 40+ degrees days in dec back to back to back. i left the AC on for like 12 hours a day coz it was unbearable. that itself would rack up the bills.
     
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  7. Wall Street

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    Tried it - much more trouble than it was worth.

    Tenants used to leave the heater on permanently.Sometimes it got too hot, so they opened the windows for fresh air (heater still on). And one of them stole a couch. It was an old one.. but still?
     
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    I would treat it like a hotel.
    Arctic in summer, boiling in winter.
     
  9. Luke T

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    From running holiday accomodation i have found yes people (most- not all)just think its free reign!
    I have had neighbors ring me up to tell me air con and all the heaters have been left on all day while the tennants are not even there (so its warm for the 10 mins it takes to heat the place when they arrive home !)It adds up really quickly unless you have full solar electric and no gas
     
  10. Steven Ryan

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    Years ago I visited an acquaintance.

    Middle of winter.

    When I walked inside he had all 4 gas burners on his stove on full ball and the oven cranked - he wasn't cooking.

    I raised an eyebrow.

    He says "My utilities are included in rent".
     
  11. jodes

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    We had airbnb guests for a month long stay. Space heaters. Got our electricity bill after their stay and our normal quarterly $180 electricity bill was $900 !! Can only imagine they left the space heaters on 24/7. Lesson learnt !!
     
  12. Azazel

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    People tend to do it when there isn't separate meters.
    If they have separate meters, I wouldn't include utilities.
     
  13. NHG

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    I do it. Still working through logistics and legalities. I have it meet fire requirements for insurance purposes as I do it as room by room rental.

    Great returns if you do the numbers right. Doesn't work on many properties, though there are several profitable niches.

    Off the cuff I'm doubtful it will be viable in 1 bedroom places. Minimum profit per 2 bedroom apartment for me is $200/week after budgeted expenses of $150/week including paying off furniture over 2 years.

    Aircon can be a pain. Pull it out, give them fans.
     
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    I would have expected it to be 200/week.....

    I too have been inside on many places where things are included, no one cares about anything.

    Not sure, but maybe you can limit usage costs.