Financing question.

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  1. big max

    big max Well-Known Member

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    Say property is 5m. Income is 500k pa.

    Say I have a 30% deposit.

    Will banks finance without looking at personal income? Is can it be financed based solely on the current rental income?

    Also, can I buy in name of company without being a personal guarantor based on the deposit which would be the bank's equity?

    Thanks. I've bought lots of residential but this would be first commercial, and via a holding company.
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Short answer is no. longer answer is noooooooooo.

    The lenders will look at personal income in all cases. But where the rent is enough to service it may be possible - very difficult though.

    There was only one lender than i knew of that didn't ask for a person guarantee on low lvrs, but I believe they have changed policies and do now.
     
  3. Shahin_Afarin

    Shahin_Afarin Residential and Commercial Broker Business Member

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    Yes - several lenders have a commercial product called "Lease Doc" - no income docs are required when the lease agreement in place covers the interest repayments.

    Here is an example of La Trobe's product (which we regularly use)

    La Trobe Financial - Lease Doc

    LVR is 70% but the issue is going to be around the loan amount and potentially security.

    What is the security?
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I stand corrected - i was only thinking residential properties, but with a $5mil purchase price you are probably considering commercial.
     
  5. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    Or a run down joint in one of Sydney's less salubrious suburbs.
     
  6. JacM

    JacM VIC Buyer's Agent - Melbourne, Geelong, Ballarat Business Member

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    The original post indicates this will be a commercial purchase
     
  7. Corey Batt

    Corey Batt Well-Known Member

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    Quite a few lenders will touch on this - I wrote a post on this a while ago:

    Lease Doc Commercial - Or How I learned to love Lease doc to continue investing

    The main things needed to get this over the line will be:

    • the current lease terms - how long remaining etc
    • net servicing within the purchase
    • security details - location, security type etc
    Based on the income given in the original post that shouldn't be an issue, as long as it's acceptable income as per the above.
     
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  8. big max

    big max Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. Very helpful. I looked at the Latrobe website. They are asking over 7%pa, which seems nuts! Any suggestions on a lender that offered such loans at competitive rates?
     
  9. Hodge

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    Lease docs are great but what happens once the lease runs out or say the tenant goes broke, shuts up (think masters) and no money coming in . Locating a new tenant could take months on end.

    Sounds too bloody risky.
     
  10. big max

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    Property has 13 tenants. I doubt all 13 would not renew at once ... So no not risky, especially if you have additional sources of income or cash in the bank.
     
  11. Hodge

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    Yes i agree you're pretty safe with 13 tenants. Unless they all turn on you! :p
     
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    Anchor tenant plus small tenants? Retail?

    Should get in the 5.xx% with a decent application.

    Hit @Corey Batt up. He sorted my commercial purchase.

    pinkboy
     
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    Yep. . @Corey Batt is excellent for this kind of deal.
     
  14. Corey Batt

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    It's going to come down to the loan amount needed - some lenders will certainly price a lot lower with their lease doc products but will have restrictive max loan limits etc. Though I'm fairly confident a strong offering could be provided for a scenario like this so long as the other factors are strong.

    If this is a serious purchase, I'd suggest getting specific information from a broker - that way any challenges can be identified early on and mitigated before you proceed any further with the potential purchase.
     
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  15. D.T.

    D.T. Specialist Property Manager Business Member

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    Yup, that has been my experience as well.