ETF Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) 2019

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  1. pippen

    pippen Well-Known Member

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    Yeah i just checked that! My bad! I just went on vanguard site and institutional site and found new reports and papers. Worth a read!
     
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    I just edited it now and it worked for me now!
     
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    How ETFs Use 'Heartbeat' Trades to Wash Away Taxes from Bloomberg


    also

    The Wealth Advisor

    One day last September an unidentified trader pumped more than $3 billion into a tech fund run by State Street Corp. Two days later that trader pulled out a similar amount.

    Why would someone make such a large bet—five times bigger than any previous transaction in the fund—and then reverse it so quickly?

    It turns out that transfusions like these are tax dodges, carried out by the world’s largest asset managers with help from investment banks.

    The beneficiaries are the long-term investors in exchange-traded funds. Such trades, nicknamed “heartbeats,” are rampant across the $4 trillion U.S. ETF market, with more than 500 made in the past year. One ETF manager calls them the industry’s “dirty little secret.”
     
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  5. Redwing

    Redwing Well-Known Member

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    Just a quick look at STW (ASX 200) & VTS (Vanguard U.S. Total Market Shares Index ) & VEU (Vanguard All World - Ex US index) since 2009 to now

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    Have you got that graph on an accumulation basis? Noting that dividends in Australia are much higher than the US.

    (I still expect VTS to be on top, but the gap certainly wouldn't be as big...)
     
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  7. Redwing

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    Nope, free data only goes so far :D
     
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    geoffw Moderator Staff Member

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    I have this issue. I've tried to compare two stocks over the long term, and all that is shown in the rooñs I use is the stock price. Where one pays better dividends than the other, I've only been able to put dividends into a spreadsheet and calculate the difference manually.

    I am not very familiar with what's out there however. There may well be something (free or cheap) which does this, but it's not a part of the small range of tooñs I have available.
     
  9. SatayKing

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    VGS ain't moving much in my preferred direction, i.e. down.

    Really would like to build up more of these both personally and in the SMSF.

    Or do I take a punt and go for it? Coin toss time.

    Rhetorical question by the way.
     
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    Sharesight gives you the option of choosing dividend reinvestment.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder @sfdoddsy

    @marty998 see below VTS and ASX200 (dividends reinvested)

    upload_2019-5-9_5-50-48.png
    Checked STW also

    upload_2019-5-9_5-52-8.png
     
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    @Redwing based on the findings, does it mean the US market is relatively overvalue compare to the AU market? Hence, AU market could provide better growth opportunity for someone in accumulation stage. Or do you reckon US market will always outperform AU market and never form equilibrium?
     
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    The chart is comparing Apples with Oranges. Comparing a diverse range of cap sizes and growth stocks in a market that invests for high returns. To a small segement of a market that which is irrationally obsessed with dividends and dominated by financial stocks. The premise that US stocks always out perform Aus stocks is wrong. Growth stocks such as the WAAX stocks on the ASX have out performed the much applauded FANG stocks, and NEA, ALC, DDR, MP1 could do so too.
     
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    This might be a dumb question, but is there an etf guide on here? Just asking as there was one on lics which as a newbie I found pretty good... thanks!
     
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    Are you looking for something like etfwatch.com.au ??
     
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    Specifically the page ETF & LIC GUIDE - ETF - however I think they may have made a mistake in the table entry where they say that ETFs are mostly actively managed.
     
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    Awesome, thanks guys, I will get reading...
     
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    Come on VGS. You can do worse than that! Try harder.
     
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    geoffw Moderator Staff Member

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    I think we all got trumped. An escalation in the trade wars has hit all markets everywhere. My SMSF is hurting badly.