Duplex build with a freind

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  1. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    Hi All,

    I am thinking of getting onto a land and construction loan with my best mate.

    I don't have cash upfront with me currently as its tied up in other personal matters but my mate does. Together we have the borrowing power to do so. But I wanted to see if the following scenario would work and if anyone has seen a better way/another way/ other things I need to consider.

    Assumptions:

    Group A (me) and Group B (my mate) get the loan jointly
    Land = 800,000 for a land that already has 2 equal lots
    Construction 700,000

    Deposit used = 150,000

    Loan needed = 1,350,000
    Each Group liable for 75,000 for the deposit.

    Group A loan = 750,000 (since I didn't have cash upfront and my mate helped with my share)
    Group B loan = 600,000

    Can we have the loan drafted up in such a way such that each owns 1 Lot but the total loan is not 50% each i.e. its not 675K each.

    thanks
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    yes its possible.
     
  3. skater

    skater Well-Known Member

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    Think very carefully here. It's a good way to lose a best mate.
     
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  4. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Exit strategy, joint and several liability if the partition doesnt work out or the deal falls over before

    ta
    rolf
     
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  5. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    Which bank best does this mate ?
    Or is it a common thing ?
     
  6. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    Can you give me an example of that ?
     
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    Lindsay_W Well-Known Member

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    Don't go direct mate, get a good mortgage broker for this type of deal
    You'll both have to be jointly liable for any debt.
     
  8. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    Yeap I will go to a broker

    Mai the total loan can’t be split in any way but 50 /50 assuming each party gets one 250sqm lot ?
     
  9. Lindsay_W

    Lindsay_W Well-Known Member

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    Once built, yes,
    prior to and during construction, no
     
  10. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    I see thank you

    so essentially as the duplex is being built the 1.35m is divided amongst two people equally

    post construction , do I need to refinance so I am liable for more share of the loan since my mate paid the whole deposit?

    Thank you
     
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  11. Tony Xia

    Tony Xia Structured Loan Advisor Business Member

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    You need a property share product which CBA offers.

    You'll both be guaranteeing each other
     
  12. Lindsay_W

    Lindsay_W Well-Known Member

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    Is the plan to sell at the end or hold?
     
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  13. Lindsay_W

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    They don't offer it for land or construction purposes mate...
     
  14. Joey2020

    Joey2020 Well-Known Member

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    Hold both mate why ?
     
  15. Lindsay_W

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    Just for my own curiosity :)
    Seeing a bunch of build and sell duplex/townhouses up here (SE QLD) at the moment
     
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  16. Joey2020

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    I see , check your inbox mate
     
  17. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    My best advice is to not rush into this. It could be a brilliant idea or the tax, legal and finance repercussions could mean this is a terrible idea.

    Talk to a good broker (to understand how finance works), talk to a good lawyer (about how to set it up fairly, effectively and understand the legal ramifications) and a good accountant (about how the ATO will view this and advice on the tax implications of some structures/entities)

    Once you know the pros and cons then work on how to find a site that fits your purposes. Please do not find a site then make an offer and then think about how to structure/finance it.

    Prior planning prevents p1$$ poor performance.

    I've done 2 joint ventures and they are definitely more complicated but can also be rewarding if set up correctly and everyone is on the same page.
     
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  18. Joey2020

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    Thank you mate

    check your inbox please
     
  19. Westminster

    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    BTW with a $1.5m total development cost you might find that $150k is not enough deposit. That is only 10% and getting an LVR of 90 on such a project is potentially unlikely though might be possible if it already has 2 titles? Though if it has 2 titles then not sure why you'd need to JV and just borrow the deposit you need off your mate. Again though the bank won't like that because it's not genuine savings.

    Most banks will want 20% deposit on the whole project.
     
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