Donald Trump for President..

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  1. Phase2

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    I still think people would stress less about it if they filtered-out any Trump-related news.

    US/International shares didn't really do anything interesting before or after the US election, the overall trend is to keep chugging along on their upwards march. They'll probably crash or correct one day, but I'd bet they'd be likely to do that in spite of whomever is POTUS.

    Trump says seemingly dumb stuff all the time. So what? The rest of the world is used to it already...
     
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    A presidential candidate saying dumb stuff is one thing.

    A president with an apparently short fuse and an incredible lack of knowledge about the world, and in particular lack of knowledge of matters regarding diplomacy, with his finger on the nuclear trigger is another matter completely. That's scary.
     
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    As long as it doesn't keep you awake at night :rolleyes: :)
     
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    LOL....

    Trump is very entertaining just my opinion.

    I am interested from an investors point of view I am currently buying property in US and Trump is good for the economy, it was moving in the right direction prior to the election. More jobs and tax cuts is what also interests me.

    MTR:)
     
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    Not stressed at all - but do look forward to seeing what idiotic comment he tweets or says each day ... the Sweden thing is hilarious. I'm just glad I don't live there and won't be personally affected in any way being a privileged white woman in a first world country ... it is those who were not so lucky to be born into these circumstances that I feel concern and empathy for
     
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    Seems the subject of this thread din't turn out so ideal...
     
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    People can be very intolerant of a Republican POTUS. Bush junior was the previous village idiot. The current is coping exemplary treatment. More so for the current being hyper active with his agenda, unacquainted with political diplomacy and unvetted communication straight from him and past his support staff.
     
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    I have switched off as the reporting is so woeful, Dems are still in denial and still don't get it, they have no real agenda moving forward other than to focus on Trump and Russia.
     
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    Ah yes - creating jobs is he?

    Tourism down nearly $200million in one month
    'Trump slump': US tourism industry down $US185 million since Trump took office

    Farmers suffering as they can't get workers to harvest crops (means less food folks)
    Crops dying in United States paddocks as farmers struggle to recruit workers

    Certain news channels are being denied access to press conferences ... CNN, NY Times, amongst others

    Be interesting to see what the employment figures come out as next period and how it will affect the stock market
     
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    Trump is an extremely dangerous and ignorant individual. His attacks on the media and judiciary will require a lot of resistance, if they fail well it will pretty much be the end of the United States as we know it as it descends into an authoritarian nightmare. Not beyond the realm of possibility after seeing his behavior this week, people and politicians need to stand up to him & resist.
     
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    This is far more than just a Republican president. I said before the election- it has much more the feel of the 1972 election when Whitlam came into power. He gave the feeling of somebody very charismatic; his fans loved him, and of course his opponents hated him. The election has a razzamatazz unseen before in Australian politics, and probably unseen since.

    When he got into power, he tried to do as much as possible as quickly as possible- before he even had a cabinet in place. It only took three years for the shoddily built structure to collapse- a little more care with the foundation may have led to a stronger government. And ultimately, the Khemlani loans affair brought them undone- something which took place due to the naivety of how government operated properly.

    Trump has a cult of personality, to an extent far greater than any president in recent memory. Neither Bush had this. Reagan had it to some extent, Nixon did not. Perhaps Kennedy had it to some extent. The cult of personality is more about the personality than the substance; the substance really consists of slogans. Like a cult, the followers follow blindly, and refuse to see anything bad. And the non cult members see nothing but evil, refusing to see anything good.

    Somewhere in between there lies something of good, but the wall in between has already been built.
     
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    You may be right that Trump had a cult following. If any, it would come from his fan base and his work during the tv Apprentice series. As you know Trump's popularity remains low, so electoral support for him is more of expediency and 'best candidate' given the circumstances. From this POV, to call his followers as being blind and refusing to see anything bad is an overstatement.

    Far from it, I have viewed mainstream media criticisms of Trump in comparison with previous Democrat presidents and I am convinced that Kennedy and B Clinton probably have a better record of sexual impropriety than Trump. Based on the evidence of HRC's private servo recording of her official activities I could sense improprieties in high office approaching high treason.

    Trump's demagoguery and Presidential actions so far are consistent and cannot be faulted with my own preferences of how efficient and effective governance should be carried out. However, implementation of his programs could have been carried out better. Either bureaucratic advice on implementation was withheld or naively not sought. This may be an operational slip due to the need to be aware of disloyal and unprofessional public servants, who sabotage and undermine his administration. Some like the a/g AG have been removed, others like the moles hearing his conversations have yet to be identified and removed. (I understand that Obama before he left authorised about 16 agencies more to conduct broad electronic surveillance - tacitly enhancing leaks to create mischief!) All these setbacks are to be expected from sore losers! However, Trump is walking now the pre election talk.

    Trump's boldness in calling BS when he sees it practically anoints him as the one whose time has come in the US. Support galvanises around him in the US just as it is doing so globally in reaction to the inanity of political correctness in places such as France, Germany and Sweden.
     
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    Finally some balance, looking at two sides of the coin, not everything is perfect and not everything is bad.
    Problem is when emotion gets in the way, clouds the issue and turns to hate rather than a constructive debate.
     
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    Are you saying that trumps strategy is correct but implementation of that strategy is poor?
     
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    Wow, you are scared aren't you.

    Don't be so bloody silly, he's not got his finger on any button but yours!

    Wake up, USA people are not blindly following him, they are faithfully following him and relying on him to do what he promised, drain the swamp and get USA working again, smaller govt, less interference in private lives. They've had enough of the empty promises and about turns once a party gets in power.

    Its time for the Dems and the left to stop crying and get on with rebuilding their own party, although that might be a bit hard to do looking into the abyss of non-followers. They have lost a heck of a lot of support over the last few years as Obama was destructing the country of anything that resembled "Liberty", and yet they are called Liberals…?

    All they can think of is to destroy Mr Trump, any way possible, lies and all, but continue doing that will only destroy their chances further at the next election.

    Who's going to fill the position?
    Hillary hasn't been seen since, Nancy Pelosi can't string 2 words together.

    They have real problems, best address that first, build support, apart from NY & LA.

    Speak of blindly following, how about those 2 cities blind faith in the Dems.

    Tit for tat. Whatever.
     
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    Trump's strategy is correct in many ways IMO.

    It is a classic way to curb public expenditures by freezing recruitment in most federal departments bar defense forces. Everyone knows the US has a mountain of chronic debts. Same thing happened when Howard addressed federal deficits in Australia and housing in ACT had a rare decline because its fortune is closely tied with federal fiscal expenditure/recruitment. Cutting red tape is also a classic conservative approach to economic efficiency by trimming big government. Red tape and recruitment often goes hand in hand.

    Cutting expenditure on welfare, infrastructure, health, justice, law enforcements by curbing illegal immigration is IMO correct. Embarking on building the 'wall' between America and Mexico, rethink on trade treaties and climate change, and putting pressure on sanctuary cities are all controversial. Trump has support on his approach to these issues. Others may disagree and that is OK, it is merely reflecting the divide between electoral disenchantment and the established political correctness.

    Is implementation poor? An example is implementing the blanket immigration bans on everyone from certain countries. Trump should have looked for inputs from his conservative base who have the operational experience in government to think through the implementation issues to avoid having to back track later on.
     
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    I'm not sure that expenditure on some of those will be cut. Trump has announced a $1 trillion increase in expenditure. He's recruiting 10,000 people to eject illegal immigrants- that's not actually curbing illegal immigration- thus increasing spending. (He may be hurting the economy- illegal immigrants are a big part of the economy.) Health- it remains to be seen. Trumpcare v Obamacare? Will they both end up costing similar amounts? Will they cover the same number of people? Some Republicans are doubting the new proposals.

    So I don't quite get it. There's a big debt- but infrastructure and defence are going to be increased, company and personal taxes will be decreased. While other government departments will be decreased, I can't see that making up the difference.

    In the meantime, he still has effective control of his own companies. Which makes it more difficult to see who is going to benefit from changes.

    You are right that Trump should have looked for inputs. He hasn't had the experience, just a big self belief. The first person who questioned his immigration ban was fired for stating that it wasn't legal- if he had listened to her instead he may not have got it so wrong.

    I see a wall as being extremely expensive and ineffective. It was a rally cry which he now has to stick with. Deporting masses of people has overtones of racism, and banning certain groups has overtones of religious prejudice. Getting rid of 11 million Latin Americans, a majority of whom would be Democrats, wouldn't harm the future Republican vote, but it could well harm the economy.
     
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    Hi Geoff, politics and economics often run in parallel. No doubt my training in economics and the way it was thought and my experience all work to mould my way of thinking. So, I and no doubt you, come out with different outcomes of perspectives on Trump's strategies.

    I venture some comments on the differences in perspectives but warily anticipate that these can easily compound in complexity.

    Illegals are part of the economy both good and bad. Good when they provide labour to ease short supply, bad when they compete with other budget priorities for scarce funding. In other words, some economic growths are undesirable, eg higher insurance premiums for properties due to malicious damage or security risks.

    Low company taxes will encourage private sector investments and job increase. Governments do not exist fundamentally to provide jobs directly. Governments enable. Communists/Socialists and capitalists basically disagree about the extent of intervention. More jobs will lessen demand on the public for welfare to look after the unemployed. Low tax will allow private sector to have more disposable income for consumption. More private consumption will drive more private sector business to cater to the demands. The idea is to have more economic activities in the private sector and less in the public sectors, hence less government expenditure and deficits, but higher collections of tax revenues. As I have mentioned John Howard applied this strategy when faced with deficits in the Australian context.

    I am not sure that the A/g AG was fired for questioning Trump's immigration policies. My reading of it is that she was fired for instructing the bureaucrats in her department not to defend Trump's directive when it is challenged in the courts. This amounts to insubordination. Public departments and bureaucrats are employed to administer and implement the policies of the government. If they refused, they rightly deserve to be fired.

    Getting rid of 11 million (?not sure it is this many) illegal Latin Americans (?many are not), many may be future Democrats, but they should not have any voting right yet. IMO, the problems they cause in the present are the issues Trump wants to address, in particular those pertaining to the black economy.
     
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    What do you know........ illegal immigration down 40% since Trump appointed Prez