Dick Blames Immigration??

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  1. MTR

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    Hasn't he heard that it's all because of negative gearing?
     
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    Supply and demand - makes sense....to some; but emotion trumps economics to a lot....apparently it helps the GDP though.
     
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    He's dead right l reckon.
    l've thought all that on his ad , for years.
    For a start , this growth garbage , growth shouldn't be pushed it should happen at it's own pace so that everything can keep up with it.
    And why do you even have to have growth anyway apart from keeping share holders happy.

    And they can't even keep up with it and infrastructure anyway. Which wouldn't even be a problem if the country is left to grow at it's own natural pace.

    And if they want more skilled people then the should be building a country that can manufacture and train and build futures,
    But they totally destroy all that with charges and costs and taxes so that no one can afford to make anything here anymore. Then we're forces to buy from over seas because what little crap we do make is too dear.It's not even viable to get dentist work done here now.
    Dick Smith seems to be the only person in the country with any sort of real insight .

    Ahh , that was exhausting , l need a drink.
     
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    People seem to forget that apart from indigenous people, everyone else is of an immigrant origin. Even good ol dick.
    It's a little rich to blame immigrants when one is an immigrant descendant.
     
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    Well,l tend to think we're lucky then in that case.
    l know we're a tiny pop' but the multi cultural thing doesn't work , and what's with the race to fill the joint up anyway. There wasn't even enough houses 5yrs ago, dunno how that is now.
    But the thing is , they can't keep up anyway and they're trying to incorporate so many mixed races all that only leads to other bigger problems,you can see it everywhere.'it's trying to force square pegs into round holes.
    America has huge problems with the multi cultural stuff and then the have the black white thing too.
     
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    I think good ol Dick has lost his head...
     
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    So what? Unless you’re for open borders without checks, you are, by definition, in favour of drawing a line somewhere. Or do you believe that we should have 100% open borders with no immigration control?

     
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    This point has been argued many times here in the past...what is the figure where we cut off immigration that would make the "open border" crowd happy?

    I've asked the question a number of times, and have never been given an answer....there are perhaps ten of my questions on this floating around this forum somewhere and still waiting for a single reply to - other than "you're a racist to suggest that".

    How can it be a racist thing if it applies to everyone - to white, black, red, green, Asian etc? It's an argument that everyone is tired of.

    The reality is that there isn't a figure they would be happy with; they want it to simply be infinite....yes; it would be nice I guess; but it makes no economic sense, and to continue to escalate the figure each year ultimately hurts the existing Citizens.

    The USA have just proposed a Bill to cut the Greencard intake to half it's current level - down from 1 million per year back to 500,000 per year - and the "open border" crowd are livid; it's racist, xenophobic, and all this....but it applies to white folks too, boys and girls.

    But in actual fact; the current level that they have is well outside historical norms - in the 1980's they only allowed 250,000 Greencard holders in per year... was that racist or ant-immigrant then?

    The open border crowd usually drag out the per capita figure for immigration levels for each individual Country as some sort of guilt weapon to encourage more immigration; sorta to shame the Govt or anyone who wants a sensible limit placed on it; but it should only ever be a figure assessed based on the economic viability of it for the entire Country's Economy as a whole.
     
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    So what is it about the multicultural thing which doesn't work?

    Why is it that having people of other races is such a big problem?

    I don't see it.
     
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    A huge part of Australia's success is that we are a multicultural nation and crime is very low here despite the fear the media stirs up. Additionally, our standard of living is up there with the best places in the world. Australia is undoubtedly a migrant nation and that is the reality of Australia in the 21st Century. We are generally tolerant and home to people from all over the globe. Unfortunately there is a vocal group who are either unaware of or unable to contain their xenophobia. I'm not sure why that is.
     
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    So most Australians are clueless.



    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/most-...on-and-population-survey-20151222-glt9nr.html

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    The survey backs up what a few people have long suspected: that the big end of town – a tiny, wealthy and powerful minority which gets benefit from high immigration - and the politicians they finance have pushed the case for high immigration, generally against the overall public interest.

    They do this by stressing imaginary benefits – economic growth, cure for an ageing population, cure for a falling birth rate etc. And they underplay how aberrant high population growth is, the strain it puts on infrastructure and the provision of services, and the strain it puts on the environment.
     
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    They are the reason for high property prices (at least in part), however they're also to "blame" for our comparatively booming economy and for being the reason that we didn't participate in the GFC.
     
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    Really??? I think it was Rudd:p that's a joke

    FACTCHECK: Did Kevin Save Us From The GFC?
     
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    Many takes (both sides imo) "it's immigration fault" as "it's immigrants (who's already in the country) fault that we can't afford a house".

    I don't believe it is racist to set a fair skill criteria and limit on total number immigration per year. This is already the case for skilled migration.
     
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    Besides , if Americas only bringing in 500k and now 250 , with 340 million and the biggest economy in the world, then we should only be bringing in what , 20,000 or something, not even.
     
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    how do you figure that ?

    Australia is roughly 7,686,850 km2 in size making it the 6th largest country in terms of size worldwide. Reports say approximately 768,685 km2 of land is actually habitable in Australia. This means Australia’s habitable land takes up approximately 10% of the actual land mass, with 90% being ‘termed’ uninhabitable.
    In comparison The Unites States is made up of 40% habitable land, South Korea 30% and The United Kingdom 70%.
     
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    Ok bmc, the website you sourced your information from suggests that the population density of Australia's cities is 378 people per square kilometre. 378 multiplied by 7.692 million square kilometres gives you a figure of more than 289 million people. I think most would agree that that would be pushing it way too far. If Australia has any ambitions to be a middle power we should start aiming for a population similar to Canada (36 million). Anywhere between that and the populations of France, the UK or Germany could be managed over a reasonable timeframe and would give us enough size to benefit from the resulting economies of scale.

    From australia.gov.au

    Australia's land mass
    Australia comprises a land area of about 7.692 million square kilometres.

    Although this is just five per cent of the world's land mass (149.45 million square kilometres), Australia is the planet's sixth largest country after Russia, Canada, China, the United States of America and Brazil. It is also the only one of the largest six nations that is completely surrounded by water.

    Australia's land mass is:
    • almost as great as that of the United States of America
    • about 50 per cent greater than Europe, and
    • 32 times greater than the United Kingdom.
    Geographical and climatic features

    Nearly 20 per cent of Australia's land mass is classified as desert.

    The Australian continent | australia.gov.au