COVID-19 in other countries

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  1. Simon Hampel

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    To be clear though - the H1N1 flu in 2009 only caused 191 deaths in Australia from 37,537 confirmed cases (0.51% death rate).

    So while it may have had a significant impact in other parts of the world - we got off very lightly here in Australia.
     
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    The actual numbers are said to be much higher than that as only serious cases warranted being tested and treated. Wikipedia suggest the real number was closer to 1600 deaths??
    We do know the Spanish flu was a form of H1N1 and it killed over 50million people.
    Influenza and the different strains can be just as bad or even worse than Covid19.

    In 2019 Australia recorded 902 flu related deaths
    In 2017 Australia recorded 1181 flu related deaths

    In 2020 Australia has currently recorded 844 Covid19 related deaths.

    Covid19 is obviously more infectious but if we had a vaccine this number would be much lower - perhaps more in line with the flu?
     
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    2017 was 0.47% case fatality rate from flu
    2019 was 0.29% case fatality rate from flu
    2020 we're currently at 3.1% case fatality rate from COVID-19

    ... which is why we've had lockdowns!

    Absolutely - I fully expect that once we have a vaccine, COVID will either die out or simply become another seasonal illness that affects relatively few vulnerable people each year.

    The problem is that we've never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus - although I'm still optimistic given the resources being thrown at the problem this time around.
     
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    I picked up on a bottoming out of the curve in the land of the free.

    Just as they top out on 200K mortalities, the 14 day infections turned from -ve to +ve. Yesterday it was +1%, today is +13%. Is this the start of the next major upwards trend?
     
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    I don't think they ever stopped the upwards trend .... they simply stopped testing
     
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    Quite possibly also true. Now that there are low numbers (or possibly greater numbers of carriers in the community), a greater % of the tests will come back positive.
     
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    Let’s hope it doesn’t get to 100% :p
     
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    Let's make ??? contagious again. :eek:
     
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    Yep said a wk or 2 back they look like they'll start sweeping up again soon but bloody hell, 7million, and just imagine there's probably another 3million floating about. And with winter on it's way ha, just imagine, they're worried about a spike, hate to think what a US spike looks like.
     
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    Incredible really , looking at Spain and France,UK, according to the worldwide chart , even with all their work earlier it's basically gotten nowhere but up, quite sad really.
    Strange how Italy is sort of holding ground , considering they're open , borders and all l think last l read.
    Notice the ground lndia's made on the US, almost caught up , what a race to be in eh and imagine lndia is probably double what they know of.
    Canada , 150k almost , seems a helluva lot, haven't read up on anything going on there as far as restrictions or what they're doing.
    Sweden near 90k , lines heading up again.

    Just a wow to all.
     
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    What spike? It's all false obviously. Hospitals such as John Hopkins wont let you through the door unless you agree to be tested for Covid. Then they falsify the results or death certificates because they get more money.

    Yes, that is the thinking of some twits. It does seem that the effort of putting one of their two remaining brain cells to work causes their head to explode.
     
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    And l know when their spike will be, 3 or 4 wks after the election
     
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    However, as has been mentioned, the number of deaths hasn't spiked anywhere near the number of cases.

    Looking at Spain, for instance - with stats from viruschat:
    Screenshot_2020-09-24-16-57-54-86.jpg
     
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    With the first wave, initially the world did know how to treat COVID patients; they didn’t know what would work, what wouldn’t, etc. So many died.

    With the second wave, the world has a better handle on what treatments work.

    To me, that does mean we are out of the woods. The big concern now is the long-term health impacts from COVID on the lungs, the brain, the heart, ... for those who have recovered/are recovering.

    From a world/economy cost perspective, it is better/cheaper if someone dies than if they recover with major health issues.

    As we know, this virus has mainly killed older folks, those with a dwindling economic benefit to society.

    It is mainly younger folk who have recovered. If they recover with serious health issues, not only will their economic benefit to society be reduced, but their ongoing long-term health costs will be an economic drain on society.

    It will be interesting to see how all of this adds up over the next 5, 10, 15, ... years.

    It will be interesting to see how many look back and regret the decisions they made in 2020, bit like those who took up smoking say 100 years ago and lived to regret it.
     
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    That'll be due to the lag effect of fraudulent postal & pre-poll votes.
     
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    The reduction infests is suspected to be due to:
    . More effective treatment
    . Younger people catching the virus
    . Increased testing finding more people with lower symptom levels

    It doesn't mean we're out of the woods by any means. Not only do we not know the long term effects on people who have recovered, younger people can pass it onto older family members. There is the possibility that fatality rates will increase if that happens.

    The US should have the same reasons to have a decreased fatality rate, but this hasn't happened to anywhere near the same extent as in Europe. Again, from viruschat:

    Screenshot_2020-09-24-18-07-43-85.jpg
     
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