Cladding over asbestos

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  1. Illusivedreams

    Illusivedreams Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys
    Opinion in cladding IP over asbestos.

    I want to freshen up the home.

    It's a 3 bedroom home.

    Any idea of costs?
     
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  2. Joynz

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    I think it’s not a responsible thing to do.

    Hiding the asbestos this way puts future residents and tradies at risk.

    Either leave it (and just repaint to freshen it up) or remove it and reclad.
     
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    For the small expense of stripping and disposal you're not risking any life of your family, kids, tenants, tenant's kids or workers - the real cost.
     
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    Cladding over fibro will not hide the fibro house it will still be an obvious fibro house.

    I clad over a fibro house back in the 90's. Cladding saved exposure to any risk associated with the removal and incomplete cleanup of the asbestos. Also by removing the fibro you create cladding issues as the levels will change.
     
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  5. Illusivedreams

    Illusivedreams Well-Known Member

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    It's an IP and their is many companies specialising in this.
    To strip asbestos Just from this outside is $8000.

    Don't forget asbestos still on inside.

    Further when you clad over asbestos their is little risk as you are not really disturbing fiber.

    Im also pretty sure you can out a sign next to electrical box with a warning
     
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    So you’d be gluing the cladding on instead of screwing or nailing it?
     
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    Illusivedreams Well-Known Member

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    They use a nail gun with blind nails.
    The nail penetrate through the cladding than asbestos.

    To be honest the companies that specialises know what they are doing just like licenced asbestos removalists.

    Does any one actually have experienced I would love to see some photos before and after.
     
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    Do their SWMS requires them to be fully suited up? Undertake air monitoring, wear a dual cartridge or HEPA mask? What precautions so they take to ensure that there's no risk of exposure to the public?

    The work involves penetrating asbestos containing material also known as high risk work.

    Who knows, there may even be tax incentives for removal.
     
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    Some poor 18 year old apprentice electrician comes through in 5 years and has to cut in a PowerPoint, cops a lung full of asbestos dust because you wanted to save some money.
     
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    The tradies i have worked with stated that they work on every old house as though it has asbestos. A sign inside the power box is a nice touch :)
     
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    I know a builder that refuses to work on asbestos clad properties. Won't show up until the asbestos is removed. I would expect more of this.
     
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    Our sparkie will not drill or use a hole saw in asbestos (eaves, ceilings or walls) and I wouldn't want him to either. I'm noticing this more and more as we get work done.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    You obviously have 0 idea about tradesmen.

    Just because a house cladded on the outside what does have to do with asbestos in inside.

    Bathrooms ,eves wet areas have already asbestos board.

    Stick to what ever it is you do.

    The reason you are an apprentice is you work with a qualified sparky.

    Obviously you have not spent a day in site.

    Get your popcorn and igilogy and stick to watching batchelor.

    Give tradesmen and apprecntices some credit
     
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    This is perfectly fine.

    But what does me cladding and asbestos house have to do with other trades?

    All house built prior to the 80s have asbestos.

    I looked at two companies you specialises in this field.

    I would assume their tradesmen are qualified.
     
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    I was responding to another poster, and not to your post. But the answer is that a tradie would see a house that he would have no idea has it lurking beneath whatever is put over it, and drill into it without realising.

    More and more tradesman (in my experience) simply will not drill through it, which wasn't the case 20 or 10 years ago.

    I'd argue that not all houses built prior to the 80s have asbestos. We've had Queenslanders that don't have it. Some have it because the kitchen and bathroom were updated when it was in use, but we've had Queenslanders that have none at all.

    We've had it removed from several houses rather than risk it. Life is a risk, but you can minimise the risk.

    I know I worry about the fact we renovated when our kids were little without knowing how dangerous it was, and I just hope we've not handed them a death sentence. My uncle died from this. It isn't a comfortable way to go. So I get it removed by professionals when we renovate. Left in place, if it is in good condition, I live with it.
     
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    Well I'm an Electrician and with some quick maths have spent roughly 2500 days 'on site' . I think your missing the point, go to a job to install a outdoor weatherproof gpo, spade bit through the cladding and before you know it you've hit the asbestos which you had no idea was there.
    Bachelor isn't on till wednesday 7:30, so plenty of time to talk about your dodgy Reno's till then.
     
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    All it says is how badly the industry is regulated when it allows you to try and hide the asbestos .
    At minimum you should have warning signs around the property , be put on a asbestos hazard registar , which also should be available at the property and clearly state it when the house is being rented out or sold.
     
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    Cladding / Bricking a fibro house

    Link to to before and after photos for a site where we clad.
    Photos at end of the page - at the time it overcame a valuation issue.

    Very common in the area - tradesmen would all expect asbestos in that age home.
     
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    Looks good exactly the look on trying to achieve.
    Do you remember the cost?
     
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    Double check the current NSW building regs as I believe they were changed prohibiting cladding over asbestos.
     
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