Block of 12 flats. 4.5 mill. Capital growth p.a. 5%

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  1. Gforce

    Gforce Active Member

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    Hi crew.

    Hope you're good. Any thoughts on the following? Feel free to throw some numbers at me.

    If i'm looking at a block of flats in Melbourne. 12 doors. Mix of 1,2,3 brm. Income after expenses is $50,000 p.a. Price of block/asset is $4.5 million. Bank loan = $ 3 million. Private equity/JV partner input = $1.5 mill. Capital growth of this amenity/services consistently strong location, street/suburb is around 5% p.a. last 10 years. So........Income = $200,000 p.a. But after expenses incl. bank loan (not incl. J/V equity partner payback) = $50,000. What's in it for the J/V equity partner? Cash flow p.a. plus initial investment back in say 3 years when i re finance and give back to JV partner? Growth of value of asset per annum is 5% of $4.5 million. Looks like that's an increase of around $225,000 per annum, correct? Does this make the deal worth a look? Refinance potential in 2-3 years? Am i on the right tram? Thanks. G
     
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    Interesting proposition- main question for me would be capital growth may be flat or worse in next 3-5 years.. could this affect the refi?
     
  3. Gforce

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    Good point Oz. Worth covering myself and investor/JV partner if i cannot refi sufficiently in next few years. The good news is if i look at previous 100 years trend, then this real estate asset is very likely to continue to grow in value in my lifetime. Question is - How do i cut JV equity partner into the deal? What's in it for them? Cash flow? part ownership of asset? Yep, i can offer these things.
     
  4. Harris

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    "Nothing" in it for a JV partner in this deal...

    Unless you are going to renovate the product/ enhance yield or create some form of value like adding extra inventory on the exis land and increase number of units, I would be scratching my head in justifying participating as an investor..

    I am however bullish on the prospects of units and currently assessing similar deals in inner east - however I don't factor any borrowings in my calcs (self fund) and the yield is tad lower vs yours but with increasing int rates, that $50k can disappear pretty quickly and then if you are not adding value and the 5% doesn't happen for another 5 years then it's a dud investment for a short- medium term... Long term, block of units in inner Mel will do really well....

    Anything with a 3 yr horizon in current market conditions with increasing IR and very poor yield with bank borrowings is a risky proposition..
     
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    What are you putting in and why does the jv partner need you?
     
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  6. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Assuming 5% compound growth and using present interest rates ? That ambitious. Cant imagine any money partner seeing reason to get nothing back on this deal. Its all their money and risk really. And you cant even offer them a committed future price as you can finance it now. JV partner would be a joint borrower to the proposal.

    Who funds the duty ? Do costs allow for land tax ? Selling costs alone could be significant.

    What income will service a $3m loan... $200K ? LOL
     
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  7. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    $50k/$4.5M x 100/1 = 1.11% return

    I'm sure someone else could make it work but on face value it is a sinkhole.

    Have you checked the zoning to confirm that it's not a development site with potential for 12+ additional units?
     
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    Sam123456 Well-Known Member

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    While I agree it's not particularly attractive, that is not a fair way to calculate return. He is not investing 4.5 million so don't calculate the return as if he's actually putting up the money.
     
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    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    That is the ONLY way to calculate the return. Development models, IRR and NPV all rely upon 100% loan for the calculation, you can't simply ignore borrowed funds or capital.

    Cash on cash ignores the basics.
     
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  10. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Could u find such a JV partner? What would a lender think about it?