Australia's 2022 federal election. Predictions on winners and reasons why

The previous government was not a Liberal government. They muzzled free speech , they had absolutely no transparency, they took no responsibility of anything and they were openly and shamelessly corrupt (Pork barreling/no tenders...)

I'll repeat this again, they were not Liberals. They were a bunch of misogynist self serving hacks and the Australian people saw through their deceit.
You already deemed the current government as a disaster when they haven't even been there for a day. Be fair and open minded and at least give them a fair go.

Property/investing is not everything in life. There are other issues that matter even to property investors, like not being governed by a bunch of corrupt hacks with no moral compass that would let this country burn just to secure a contract or gig for themselves or their mates.

Do yourself a favor and read "Game of Mates: How favours bleed the nation", maybe that might change your mind.

 

Thanks, I will be giving this one a read.

 

You look at it from the wrong angle.

You decided to have a tunnel vision into business and making money.
Granted, a small libertarian (such as the Lib Demo or whatever they call themselves), will probably encourage that.

However, the people of Australia, in their great wisdom, have a bit of a wider vision into those who are not the part of this exact demographic you referring to.
Hard to sell your stuff to "clients" when the only "clients" are the people who won the genetic lottery and have businesses.
It also not much fun to live in fully enclosed gated communities to protect the small business owners, property investors and avid PC (sommersoft) readers from the ones who fall behind and has to resort to crime to survive.

A properly balanced society have a healthy balance of freedom and rules.
Balance of wealth and health.
Balance of "me" and "us".

What you call "libertarian" government is basically capitalism on steroids, but with new fancy name.
We don't need to try it and see if it's working, we have a model that is running. It's called the US and by all means I don't wanna see Australia going down THAT track!

Taxes are not a bad thing.
Well used taxes are making every tax payer life better. Including the tax payer themslves.

 

Being left wing and owning property/business are only contradictory to people who see the world in black and white. You are promoting a false dichotomy. The Labor government isn't some weird command and control government. They have stronger social policies but they aren't out to get you. Capitalism needs to be nicer or else we will end up like the USA where there is a vast number of working class poor. We know from formal research that inequality hampers economic growth, but as we have seen from climate change, conservatives don't seem to care about evidence.

Inequality hurts economic growth, finds OECD research - OECD

I don't mind paying more tax, I would still be well off if I had to pay more. I rely on my skill to get ahead, not the government cheating the poor out of services.

Libertarians are like house cats. They are convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependant on a system they don't appreciate or understand.

 

My wife advised me of an interesting stat over the weekend. Professional women now outnumber tradie men. Massive error from the Libs to not be more considerate of women (and be better humans).

 

No I didn’t mention the labor party , I didn’t even mention the liberal party. It’s got more to do with policies, and a majority of people voted for parties that do not support policies that value the freedom of being who you want to be, and the freedom to have a choice in life. They voted for policies that support suppression, government over the individual,
identity politics and segregation which are all at odds of the values you say that you support.
The wealthy areas of the northern beaches of Sydney and the Eastern Suburbs and Kooyong in Melbourne are one of the wealthiest areas in Australia. To these people, the purchase of electric vehicles and the payment of high electricity costs is of no consequence to them compared to if you are a battler in the outer western suburbs of Sydney or rural Australia. These people chose the latte instead of freedom, which is very sad, and I wouldn’t be surprised if all their businesses were based offshore not paying any tax, yet they vote for the teals and greens. And when you vote for higher taxes and higher prices in utilities, the people that suffer the most are the lower income people, because it takes more of their income away and prevents them from ever being able to own property. I go back to my previous comment and suggest that many people are economically illiterate and do not understand how money is made.
If one cares about the social issues in society the best way to do this is to create opportunities for people of all backgrounds to get ahead, work hard and keep some of the money they earnt.

 

You cannot tax a nation into wealth. Socialism as recommended by the Greens and teals has been tried at least 28 times and never succeeded. Even Sweden back in the 70’s that tried higher taxes, had to move away from that idea.
I think the problem here is that not enough people here have experienced what this is all about. Probably the one good thing about Albanese getting a majority is that he may have some breathing space to do something for the traditional workers in Australia. The problem of 16 combined lower and upper house greens plus teals is a frightening prospect and I hope he can stand up to these people.

 

You're making a lot of assumptions there - and certainly don't see the ALP/Greens from the same perspective that many others do.

Voting for Greens/Independents suggests those in "wealthy" areas are very aware of social needs - and that "their" taxed may rise (which doesn't mean all taxes rise) - which doesn't automatically equate to electricity prices rising.

Creating opportunities is not enough in itself. The fact that there is a massive classes of working poor in the US - where they have to work 2-3 jobs simply to put a pitiful roof over their heads and barely enough to feed their kids - proves that "working hard" is not enough.

A very success ploy by the right (across the world) is the ... well ... I was going to type a long explanation, about how those with the power blatantly encourage the downtrodden to punch/blame down to those below them who have even less power as a distraction from recognising where the blame really rests ... but this image pretty much sums it up

 

Austerity also does not work to boost an economy.

I am not too worried about Aus going hard core socialist, wont happen. I'm pretty happy with the level of socialism we have had, or maybe even a little more. Certainly going down the path of the USA would be horrific. My tolerance of people dying on the street does not go quite that far.

 

The current a Liberal party of Australia had moved away from their core principles.
One of the main ways individuals are able to have better lives is to free themselves from
Slavery that socialist and fascist governments tend to enforce, and this is done when people are able to own things, like property, and since this is a forum on property investing, one would imagine that this type of economic activity would be supported or encourage, no?
Perhaps reading the book, “The road to serfdom”, might be a good one here.

 

You are uninformed on multiple points. But I will address your point on electricity prices. Moving to renewables IS what is keeping prices lower in SA and Vic. Coal and gas prices are way up and as a consequence electricity prices in Queensland and NSW are skyrocketing because of their dependence on coal and gas.

Australia’s north-south divide: Electricity price jumps in coal dependent states

Google it mate

 

No I have to pull you up on that one. South Australia has the highest electricity costs In Australia almost on par with Germany right now. They also depend on an inter-connector with Victoria and NSW. Australia’s lack of investment in reliable energy is making the national grid extremely unstable. Germany is now in a very precarious situation of needing to rely on gas from Russia and nuclear from France, because solar and wind is unreliable. Even in Texas the wind turbines seized up when things got a bit cold.

 

Come on @2FAST4U , you're more intelligent than that. This is not something that needs to be a binary war of left v right. If you want to evaluate a particular stat, you need to evaluate it in context. Yes, the number 3.9 is lower than 5.4. Are you saying that is entirely thanks to the Libs "superior economic managment"? And not, say, a product of 2 years of closed borders?

 

Yet they use wind turbines in Canada, UK, Finland - countries vastly colder than Texas - so perhaps the issue was faulty governance ... EGEB: Why some wind turbines froze in Texas, but don't in the Arctic

US conservatives falsely blame renewables for Texas storm outages

You might also want to look at the percentages of power sources in Germany ... Germany’s energy consumption and power mix in charts

 

Wow.... Reading your posts and I completely lost in where you're even pointing.
It seems you're just shooting at all directions, with no direction in mind.

Can you stop for a second hammering how everybody is doing it wrong and explain what would you do instead?
What is your ideal government?

Please try to touch as many aspects of society while you're doing so: wealth, welfare, economy, freedom, accountability, rule of law etc.

Go crazy, but remember, it needs to work for most (otherwise it won't happen). For example, if you want to freedom to not wear a mask in the middle of a global pandemic, the result is more death (just guessing this is where the "freedom" goes to).

Every decision have effects that goes beyond just the direct results of that decision.
Not pushing for renewals, leads to people having a morning swim from their bedroom to the kitchen.

 

Agreed - detail the actions ... and also detail the consequences of such actions.

Actions/choices cannot live in a vacuum

 

This question should probably go both ways to all participants in this thread and possibly in a new thread. I will just say that that my comments are directed towards the outcome of the election and in particular the high votes to the greens and teals and I can tell you now that if they get their way, taxes will go up in many ways and this will hurt all Australians badly.
For those of you who have multiple properties, how does an unrealised capital gains tax on your properties sound. If you think that’s not on the table, think again.
What about death taxes. Maybe when your green voting son or daughter releases that they won’t be inheriting anything, they may change their view.
What about social credit scores and ESG rating systems , think it can’t happen here underif the greens get their way?
Like I said, we are lucky if labor keeps its majority because Albo will have a very time. I am concerned and I wish Albo all the best in maintaining stable government.

 

LOL
You say "Teals" as if it's a bad thing.
Have you looked at those "Teal" women? They are possibly up there at the top with the likes of Jim and Penny.
They are the most impressive women we've seen in politics in a long long time!

Trying to paint them as some communist monsters is just.....

I'm not a huge Green fan, but they are only part of the whole government and they will have to play nicely with everybody else. The Labor don't need them. With the Teals they are sorted.
It'll be good if they do come to the table and help the Labor to fix the huge mess we're in right now.

Big variety of ideas has never hurt anyone.

Next tactic: FEAR! ThE skY ArE FAlliNG!!!!!!!

Get REadY!!!! All YouR MoNEy is AboUT to Be TaKen!

cHinA Is HERe!!!!!

Albo says "thanx".

 

Yep, all highly intelligent, accomplished and sophisticated. A refreshing contrast to some of the tired men with antiquated ideas in the LNP who still can't see they're on the wrong side of history.

Dr Monique Ryan really cut through in her debate with Frydenburg, tore him to shreds. Labor strategists could learn a thing or two from her.

The future looks bright with the teals.

 

It's outrageous so many well-educated professional women dare to speak out against injustice and along with many other votes complain elected representatives are not listening. And to add injury to that horror they dared to stand and got elected together with a number of others who have broader concerns than whether someone is trying to get their hands into my biscuit tin.

Now in my day.....