Attempting to find lender

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  1. Burramys

    Burramys Well-Known Member

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    I'm attempting to refinance an IP mortgage. It's currently IO and just over 5%. LVR under 30%, probably closer to 25%. PPOR all mine. No debts, one credit card paid every month, low limit. Good record at Equifax.

    There's a few challenges. All income is from investing and a pension from my super fund. The rent is about 1.8X my annual expenditure, excluding property costs. Dividends and the pension are each what I spend a year, so I save a year or more of spending each year, a very long-term savings pattern. Lenders want to discount all my income. One lender said that I would be unable to repay their mortgage even though it's a lower rate than I currently pay, will lend me 75% of what I am very comfortably managing now.

    To make matters interesting, all the comparison websites I have seen make no provision for the ongoing rate. They cite the honeymoon rate, which goes up after a few months. One genius lender was advised that it was for an IP and sent me information about a PPOR mortgage. IP rates are 50-100 basis points higher. Another one had big initial costs, discharge costs not cited, with the comparison and headline rate the same. This may be in breach.

    I can easily manage P&I for the IP, but cannot find a suitable lender for my situation. Any ideas?
     
  2. Watson1

    Watson1 Well-Known Member

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    Who is the existing lender and have you tried negotiating with your existing lender?
     
  3. Burramys

    Burramys Well-Known Member

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    Watson, oops, should have said. It's CUA and they will not budge.
     
  4. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Suggest using a broker that looks after that type of income stream.

    We have many a client borrowing solely on investing incomes - thats not the issue

    Its unclear as to why you are looking to refi = ie your needs ?

    Your actual outgoings and rate moving forward arent good indicators of borrowing capacity

    lender will deem living costs of min 1.5 to 2 k / mth and assess the loan at 7.25 PI, probably over 15 or 20 years max


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  5. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    A broker should be able to help you - as you’ve found, not all lenders are helpful in this space.

    Have you applied with a few lenders already? It may be worth checking your credit file to be sure there’s not a handful of recent enquires that could make things more tricky again.
     
  6. tobe

    tobe Well-Known Member

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    You need to use a broker who will know which lenders are ok with older borrowers and which lenders are happy to use pension and investment income. Many lenders want a reduced loan term for older borrowers and discount or won’t consider smsf income etc.

    From what you have said there’s a couple of options that jump out at me, but it’s important to get specific advice from a broker.
     
  7. Burramys

    Burramys Well-Known Member

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    I've contacted a few brokers, and none seem very interested. I think it's due to by income sources. I cite the savings pattern, not relevant to them. Also, lender rely on esitimates. I can show actual exoenditure for everything, but they will not use these figures, which go back decades. For a few years I had $1-200,000 in an offset, getting bigger over time due to dividends.

    Every enquiry is with advice not to contact Equifax. I have an Equifax report from a few months ago, all good. There was no Equifax score, but in late 2013 the Veda score was in the mid-900 area. I suspect that I am at about 1000 now.

    A broker that would look at real figures and take my savings capacity into account would be nice, but I cannot find any.
     
  8. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    Contact one of the great brokers on here, if they can't help no one can
     
  9. EricIP

    EricIP Well-Known Member

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    I'm in a similar situation. most of income from IP - Commercial.
    The broker I've used told me the Liberty is the only lender providing loan based on a lease income. Their rate is a bit high. starting from 5.3% (IO for5 years).
    It'll be interesting to see if op can find any other lender with a better rate since I'll try to refinance after 3 years.
     
  10. dabbler

    dabbler Well-Known Member

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    lol....I love it when I call up lenders to ask about a product or promotion and they literally have no idea of that, or much else.

    Makes you wonder how they select staff and operate other parts of business at times.