AFRICAS TOP 10 of SHAME

I don't think you need to prove anything

 

As opposed to nothing. Where is the connection between America dropping nuclear bombs on Japan in 1945 so they didn't have to invade and Iraq or Vietnam?

Like Somalia in the 90s?

 

Guys, understand realpolitik without getting all moral about it and it will make life easier.

That said, I'll take the American brand of hegemonic power over the alternative...property investors of all people should get that

 

Silverstein took a 99 year lease on the entire WTC site for $115mil .

The site was earmarked for a serious construction order surrounding the asbestos in WTC1 and WTC2. Unfortunately for Silverstein, only a few weeks after settling WTC1 and 2 were slapped with a 'rectify or condemn' order.

The timing of this, though, came after the $3.5bil insurance policy. This was to cover the forward earnings of the site as a whole. Silverstein's claims in mid 2013 were that the two plane hits were separate events, therefore the $3.5bil claim should be paid twice. He got an extra $1 bill in settlement but pursued with the further 2.5b .

This is where he comes unstuck. WTC7 was going to come down anyway to make way for newer, taller building. It was already pre-wired for demo. When Silverstien said "pull it" the building came down. Not really the cause of the planes now...

Many employees in WTC1 and 2 were denied access the the exact floors that the thermite is shown to be cutting through. However, Silverstein, somewhat realistically , suggests this was to do with the asbestos inspections that lead to the rectification orders - which makes perfect sense. It still doesn't explain the thermite being seen cutting through the corner supports from the outside. The only reason for thermite to be used is demolition.

Many truthers point to the puts being placed on UAA and AA as some sort of proof of prior knowledge. 95% of the UAA puts came from one source; and that was a stock trading newsletter that was warning of further downside after the UAA announced terrible financial data. AA also had terrible reporting results and was the obvious second choice. Volumes actually weren't that extraordinary - even Mad Money Kramer was yelling out about shorting airlines. I'm sure we all remember oil prices skyrocketing and talk of a ton a bbl were all about prior to 9/11.

Any hoo, back to Silverstein. During the insurance investigation, admissions had to be made that the buildings were pre - wired for demolition. This is against any NY or federal law, as no approvals were in place and the WTC centres are a global attraction. It appears Silverstein had no intention of rectifying, and of course, demolition triggers the cost to reconstruct.

So now the DoJ are involved and everything has gone to ground.

There's no evidence suggesting that Silverstein orchestrated the attacks. Anyone suggesting so is a nutter. It just happens that a terrorist attack occurred while demo was pre-wired. The US were asleep at the wheel and despite multiple warnings from multiple assets about an imminent attack in NYC , they did little to prevent anything.

Why was the steel scrapped immediately ? Surely it would have been retained for investigation? Silverstein was very quick to claim ownership of the demolished building and call in the metal merchants.

It's insurance fraud at the highest level - somewhat fortuitous with the timing, but it appears 'intent' is evident and is being investigated.

The fact the USA launched a new war in the graveyard of empires has nothing to do with a false flag, but retaliation for an attack on home soil.

But hey - don't believe everything you read, right? I'm mentally ill.

 

Sometimes the most logical conclusion is the one staring everyone in the face - in that there was a controlled Demolition, there was insurance fraud and there was a terrorist attack.

Just nothing other than one spur of the moment decision to "pull it" linking it all.

 

I'm not a conspiracy believer at all but it's certainly interesting that the two buildings that happened to be pre-wired for demolition were the targets. They were far from the most noteworthy part of the NY skyline if you wanted to strike at the American psyche.

I know if I wanted to attack New York that the Statue of Liberty, Empire State, Chrysler Building, Times Square or Madison Square Garden would have all absolutely been clearly ahead of the eyesores that were the World Trade Centers as targets.

 

Exactly.

From my memory; the USA don't start any fights; they usually go in and try to stop them and save the guys getting slaughtered.

Noble intentions, but this will always end badly for both sides - but stopping evil and genocide and so on is necessary. The handwringers won't agree of course; let's sit down with Idi Amin, and Pol Pot, and all the rest of those insane despots and have a love-in and talk it over.

Of course; the Yanks are not squeaky clean; collateral damage, civilians caught in the cross fire and so on, but seriously; it is unavoidable, and war is hell.

We need a World Police - who would we rather it be if not the USA?

Us Aussies?

How about the Chinese? The Russians? North Korea? Their human rights track records are a ripper...

And so on.

No; The Yanks might be less than perfect, but I'd rather they were around - than not.

Everyone treats the USA like they treat the normal cops on the beat - generally disrespect them, and treat them with contempt, blame them for too much use of force and so on, but still want them to come to our rescue if we ourselves need help.

Watch how fast the phone calls would go in to the Whitehouse if Aussie soil was attacked in earnest.

 

Thanks Aaron. Yes I recall the concerns when the building was demolished three weeks after the event. It raised lots of questions. At the time stories were flying around the conspiracy theory websites that the CIA planted the thermite. Now it's settled - admitted by Silverstein. Good, I can find something else to occupy my tired brain today.

 

There you go. I fixed it for you.

So from chilliblue's original post, how many of those evil African dictators did the World Police stop and subsequently saved millions of people from being slaughtered?

Interesting stat from the other thread:

 

What about dirty diamonds,in a world of supply chain transparency and diamonds mined in war zones go into the black market by slave labor low paid workers ,that industry alone would have killed more then all the above gangsters,all it would take is a world wide boycott on the sale of uncut diamonds..

 

Has any American President been involved in, or organised mass murders of it's own citizens, or conducted any type of genocide of it's own citizens or other Nations around the world?

Legitimate question.

I know they've gone in to try to kick the butts of those who have done the above, and by virtue of that has singled out the bad guys and tried to kick their butts...a sort of "genicide of the bad guys" - works for me.

I don't know why there hasn't been as much involvement by the Yanks in those dodgy African Countries to date; maybe they have had some involvement; a covert type.

To say that the Yanks have caused an escalation in - or caused to begin at all - the bad guys' activities - is a handwringers' stretch...the bad guys were already there...in some cases have been for centuries, already doing it, and who knows just to what extent.

It gets waaay more publicity through the various media once the Western World gets involved of course.

But hey; let's all throw a fence around all those idiot Countries that are trying to wipe each other out over whatever, and leave 'em to it....leave the innocents and defenseless to get eradicated, and demonise the folks trying to help..

You can't win; damned if you don't; damned if you do.

 

Libya; without NATO consent.

Bombed the fresh water pipeline built to service the Saharan ring. Then bombed all pipe storage facilities and their factories; being the only ones capable in the region of repairing the pipeline.

Then bombed the oil fields.

Removed Libya's head of state by organising and managing mercenaries to hunt and execute him on the spot.

The push for an African Union gold-backed Dinar for the entire African continent, as well as payment for Libyan oil in Gold instead of USD, stopped in it's tracks.

Legitimate answer.

 

Yes many times the US has been involved in military coups & support for terrorist groups against democratically elected governments around the world, many of which have resulted in large numbers of deaths.

The list is quite long, some right on our doorstep, eg they supported Suharto coup in 1965 resulting in the killing of over 500,000 people. From the Wiki summary:
It was later revealed that the American government provided extensive lists of communists to Indonesian death squads. A top-secret CIA report stated that the massacres "rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century, along with the Soviet purges of the 1930s, the Nazi mass murders during the Second World War, and the Maoist bloodbath of the early 1950s."

 

Australia also supported the Suharto coup - and we continue to turn a blind eye to West Papua.

 

The USA military training institution 'the school of the americas' trained many of latin americas dictators, torturers, secret police, death squads and coup leaders. Otherwise known as the school of assassins.

 

What? No way. The US would never do that. They are the harbinger of good. They fight the evil in the world, never being the evil !

'MURICA. Hurrah!

 

So, you are saying that the USA has knowingly trained blokes to go and become dictators in these Countries, helped them get into power (how? - military coup?) and then sat around and watched them slaughter their own citizens - or worse - helped them?

And the motivation for all this would be?

This is sounding like the 9-11 conspiracies.

 

I found this, amongst others;

"Suharto, (born June 8, 1921, Kemusu Argamulja, Java, Dutch East Indies [now Indonesia]—died Jan. 27, 2008, Jakarta, Indon.), army officer and political leader who was president of Indonesia from 1967 to 1998. His three decades of uninterrupted rule gave Indonesia much-needed political stability and sustained economic growth, but his authoritarian regime finally fell victim to an economic downturn and its own internal corruption."

and this;

"In the following months, Suharto directed a purge of communists and leftists in public life, and his example was followed in exaggerated form by vigilantes in a grand massacre of communists throughout the country in which hundreds of thousands lost their lives."

Maybe he eventually copped his right whack?

The rest is here: Suharto | president of Indonesia

 

The first obvious answer would be the American civil war...

Then you have Bay of Pigs invasion, you could say that given the US had no reason other than proving a political point that both the Vietnam and Korean invasions fall under that category. The two invasions of Iraq absolutely fall under it as does the Afghani invasion.

Now whether you want to try and justify those or not is another question but really if you're justifying it you're just agreeing with those Muslims that @THX thinks are abhorrent for thinking that killing civilians can sometimes be justified because there is no doubt that every time the US goes invading somewhere to change a leader who doesn't agree with them that civilians will die.

It's funny, I don't agree with the US policies of always having to get involved in conflicts that do not involve them and generally the outcome has been mixed at best (both for the US and the country they invade) but at the same time I strongly disagree with their current approach of allowing a group like ISIS to have the free reign that the US has given them, the US actions played a large part in creating ISIS and now they wont take responsibility for their monster. Worse than that, they're actively impeding other nations from going in and taking care of the problem for political reasons.

 

A Civil War is not the same as a Genocide/ethnic/religious cleansing where one side obliterates the others, or where a Regime stamps out any who speak out against it and opposes it.

You too can be congratulated on joining the ever-growing Twisters Club.

Like; who?

Who has disagreed with them, and for that paultry reason has copped a mass invasion and war?

Someone will roll out Sadam or something scarily ridiculous....I think his death count before GeeDubbya waded in was in the hundreds of thousands of his own citizens, and had then invaded Kuwait just to have some dessert?