Advise on dodgy buyer

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  1. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    His strategy is probably to kick up a fuss about some not settle and refuse to remove the caveat without payment t for his troubles.

    Removing the caveat won't be simple or cheap.
     
  2. opal3259

    opal3259 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. This is plausible. I've been trying to work out his angle to no avail.

    Any idea on how long it would take a judge to remove the caveat after the 14 day default notice expires? Given he hasn't paid a cent and can't produce any evidence indicating otherwise... I would assume that he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

    Bad assumption?
     
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    Never assume. I learned that the hard way.
     
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    opal3259 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
    Does make you scratch your head at how 'weak' the law can be when dealing with these scumbags though.
     
  5. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I don't practice this sort of law but it would be supreme court jurisdiction i imagine. Barrister material.
     
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    Looks like it is 30 days if you don't want to go to the Supreme Court.

    4 Things you should know about Caveats | Rigoli Lawyers
     
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    I hope it goes well.
     
  9. opal3259

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    Thanks folks.

    Was assured by the agent that there was no risk in not getting the cheque the day of contract signing... because 'if he doesn't provide a deposit in 7 days, we can just go back to market'.

    Turns out this isn't the case at all.
    Lesson for others - don't trust anything that comes out of the agents mouth.
     
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  10. Perthguy

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    If someone is trying to be dodgy they will find a way. Last time I took a cheque it turned out the checkbook was stolen and the check bounced. I was sus, so I took a copy of the drivers licence (stolen) and the number plates (stolen). :( Passed all the info onto the police. They did not care one bit.

    I would happier with an electronic transfer than a cheque but even electronic transfers can be reversed.
     
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    Agreed. I spoke to the Police... the response was pathetic to say the least. Provided a false receipt and was told 'it's an issue for VCAT', which is clearly not the case.
     
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    Have a solicitor deal with it as a Corporations Act breach. Insolvent trading is a penalty punishable v's the Director. They should agree to lift the caveat to avoid a criminal offence.
     
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    Hi @opal3259 is there any progress on this matter? I hope you had resolved the issue. Would you care to share what happened in the end?
     
  14. Yson

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    sometimes, it is good to have a good legal firm rather than a small one, as I was using a convencency (cant spell, haha but u know what I am talking) firm, when issues came, the first action from them was to ask me to engage legal, had I engaged lawyer, at least I can get some sort of advice before I engaged an expert legal
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Well conveyancers arent lawyers. Like expecting your doctor to do dental work
     
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    Not really. It's like expecting your tax accountant to give you legal advice, which they cannot do, so they refer you to a solicitor. Well, they would if they are any good.

    I would not take legal advice from a conveyancer or from a tax accountant. Just like I would not ask my solicitor for tax advice. When I asked him about tax he referred me to a tax accountant.
     
  17. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Conveyancers to conveyances - transfers of property from A to B. Best not to seek legal advice from them.

    Some lawyers give tax advice - I do in certain areas. Tax advise is legal advice afterall.
     
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    Did you have to do additional study to be able to give tax advice? I asked my solicitor about some tax matters and he referred me. He doesn't give family law advice either. We can't expect every solicitor to be a one stop shop.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Yes. Tax law is only taught as an option in the uni course. Family law too. I studied family law at uni, but wouldn't know enough to advise on this. In fact anything you learn at uni is not enough really. I didn't know much about wills and estates until a i did a masters on it.
     
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    I studied family law when I was still living at my childhood home.

    Apparently, what mum says is LAW. :cool:
     
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