Why do some people insist on defending falsehoods?

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  1. Phar Lap

    Phar Lap Well-Known Member

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    Years ago and still to this day "authorities" say the facts around food are grains are very good for you.

    Wrong. They are very bad for you.
    This is a new found fact among health professionals however, there are still 2 sides to the story or shall we say "beliefs" after extensive testing, dieting etc. grains still remain among one of the most debated foods on this planet (round globe).
    So can we argue this or not? Or are we supposed to shut up and believe the old facts?
     
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    They key word in this conversation is dogma. People believe things where there is no factual basis for that belief because it makes them feel comfortable.

    Religion could be an example of this.
     
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    I was going to say that but then decided not to open that can of worms! :D
     
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    Yet while participation in organised religion is declining, growth in things like flat earth, anti vax, conspiracy theories, creationism and other non scientific beliefs appears to be growing.
     
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    Same same, but different.

    Note, I'm not maligning religion, just making an observation about human nature.
     
  6. spludgey

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    In balance all these unreasonable (I'm using the definition of "you wouldn't end up with this view if you used reason and logic") beliefs are probably not changing a huge deal unfortunately, true.
    Though with the flat earthers, I would argue that over 95% of them don't really believe it (similar to the church of the flying spaghetti monster).
     
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    People don't like to consider data when it conflicts with their own personal experience or biases. For example, despite providing data like the below chart, many here use personal anecdotes to try and spin the reality as being something different.

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  8. spludgey

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    So to me it seems like households definitely spend less money on luxuries now then they used to.
     
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    Well in fairness avocado was a luxury in 1989 :)
     
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    I see conspicuous Cause arguments such as Climate Change primarily driven by peoples need to fear something, the need to feel important by projecting their opinions, and the disdain of capitalism. Oh and two percent care only about looking after the environment
     
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    Rather house prices are very high so make a greater portion of money spent. No argument that millennials are doing it tough on accommodation
     
  12. Lizzie

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    Yep - no one would ever acknowledge they are below average in anything although half the population is below in any given "thing" ... that's what an average is ... 50% above - 50% below
     
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    I'm probably below average, which is probably why I'm not so mean.
     
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    This speaks volumes
     
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    About two specific companies.
     
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    Human psyche
     
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    It's human psychology
     
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    You have to look at the organisations behind the fact checking too. Often not "down the middle".
     
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    What was on the location before Nobbies beach was formed after the breakwater wall?
     
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    If you mean "on Stockton" - there was a big, wide peninsula of saltbush type scrub, with a deep beach and sandbanks ... then the breakwalls went in and Stockton Peninsula still coped with the trickle of sand making it's way around the ends ... but then the channel was deepened and the trickle stopped, the beach renourished itself for a while from the sandbanks and the beach width ... and then nothing

    If you mean "on Nobby's" it simply didn't exist. There was a island 2.6km offshore called Coal Island, renamed Nobby's Island, then connected to the mainland with the breakwater and called Nobby's Head. It then had it's head lopped off and a lighthouse built on top.
     
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