Why Commercial ?

Discussion in 'Commercial Property' started by Beano, 8th Jan, 2017.

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  1. Iamnumber5

    Iamnumber5 Well-Known Member

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    It seems that you haven’t missed it out.
     
  2. Cousinit

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    Thanks for posting your experiences.

    What sorts of small commercial properties would you suggest a beginner look into ?

    Congratulations on your success !
     
  3. Beano

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    Small tradesmen units
     
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    They're a dime a dozen. When vacancy rates climb, you're at the front of the queue. Small tradies are just as reliable as residential tenants IMHO, i'd much rather a larger tenant who has more at stake.
     
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    Yes , but this may may be out of reach for a beginner . What about an office in a reasonable location or a smaller warehouse .

    What things should I look for in a tradesman unit ? I imagine good truck access and door height and service availability would be at the top of the list ?
     
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    • Clearance for trucks
    • 3 phase power/NBN
    • Amenities (own toilet/wash facilities/tearoom)
    • Office space about 10-15% of floorspace but preferably on mezzanine level
    • Good natural lighting (& LED high bays)
    • Good access from street (If it's a unit, you can manoeuvre a long rigid truck or articulated vehicle into the premises
    • Depth - long enough to fit a semi & prime mover
    • Column free space
    • High roof to maximise storage/racking
     
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    • Reasonable strata levies
    • External signage opportunities
    • Close to lift/entry
    • Natural light/windows
    • Fibre access or NBN FTTP
    • Shared toilets but own tea room/access to water/drainage
     
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    Thanks for posting .
     
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    @ousinit said:
    What things should I look for in a tradesman unit ?

    How many tradies could afford [or need] the above? ... :D
     
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    Not a one woman/man band (those inclusions are for units >150m2) anything much smaller could work out of a double garage at home without incurring the overhead.

    Once you start employing (or sub-contracting/deemed employees), these things become a requirement.
     
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    Yeah why still commercial now with yield getting so tight these days?
    Attended a Box Hill retail shop auction last week and it sold for 3.5% yield!!!
    Where can you still find 10% yield or whatever the magic number may be to make your servicing
    unimpacted for the next deal?
     
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    Bullamakanka. Regional area, owner occupied/lease-back, high risk, selling for land value only, severely dilapidated/functionally obsolescent buildings.

    Once you redevelop, your capital value will increase and your net return will drop.
     
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    Hi Beano, I've been reading your posts, thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm in the commercial property industry but have no CIPs yet, but have 11 RIPs and wondering when I should buy a CIP. I'd really like to do some analysis on the numbers for CIPs. I wondered if you could share this spreadsheet? Would probably benefit a lot of members to see one based on realistic assumptions (ie buying a property with 3-5yr lease at 65% LVR, needing to reduce to 40-50% by end of lease, 3.25-3.5% increases, 3-6 months vacancy, leasing fee plus some incentive and capital works upon lease expiry). A lot of people get blinded by high net returns but it's good to see the total return over say 10 years).

    Thanks!
     
  17. Beano

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    Pm me and I send you a couple of industrial properties my mate brought.
    They yield from 11.5 to 18pc net he is working towards 21pc.
    Just bear in mind I do not walk the talk on the buying but I still have every commercial I have brought while still mismanaging & making mistakes (however i seldom make the same mistake I just invent & find new mistakes or items to mismanage :))
    I have been focusing on something different ie lessors interest but they do not come up very often .
    They are out there but just that people do not often sell and I only have a lifetime to buy them.
     
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    Hi Beano

    Are you much into retail properties (C1Z) at all or mostly industrial?
    What's your view & opinion on the Victoria retail segment for next 5 yrs??
    Is food & beverage tenant the more preferred type to go with?

    Thanks,;
    FXD
     
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    I am mainly in industrial very little retail ($300k pa rental from retail).
    I am not too familiar with the Vic market.
    Have you talked with any Valuers or researcher in the Victoria area ?
     
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    Various commercial sales
    Yield 8.58pc Daycare centre , 8.09pc NAB branch , Caltex service station 8.33pc
    courier mail Friday 9th August
     

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