When will the Melbourne property market bottom out?

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  1. Triton

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    I think the one at 61 has better development potential (retain the existing one and build 2 at the back) compared to the one at 104 (maybe 1 at the back if the existing house is retained).
    But I have the same observation as you. I think the market bottomed around Feb-Apr 19
     
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    My comments on the core logic daily index on the Housing Downturn Over thread.
    • Low point for the index was 139.49 on 6 June. Another 1 to 2 weeks of data need to determine if this is the bottom but 28-day and 7-day rolling averages may confirm we have passed the bottom for Melbourne ( approx 1 month after Sydney ).
    So the index needs to hold above 139.49 to confirm we have passed the bottom.

    Chart is from my post here:
    This Housing Downturn is Over

    (and is a plot of the rolling 28-day average of the % daily change in the index ... for most of this chart on average the change was negative or a decline in the index)

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    These are the Core Logic Daily index values since the last low on 6 June:

    Date Melbourne (MELD)
    18/06/2019 139.55
    17/06/2019 139.53
    16/06/2019 139.56
    15/06/2019 139.59
    14/06/2019 139.67
    13/06/2019 139.75
    12/06/2019 139.72
    11/06/2019 139.64
    10/06/2019 139.69
    9/06/2019 139.61
    8/06/2019 139.58
    7/06/2019 139.61
    6/06/2019 139.49
     
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    Hi @wombat777

    Thanks for technical analysis. But markets in west are holding and south west have not dropped. Could your stats be reflecting a specific area or in general? Particularly east.

    Big numbers and have been dropping aince nearly 2 years now.

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    Corelogic numbers are city-wide analysis of sales data for all of Melbourne. So that would be this area:

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    Interesting, is their a way to track regionals?
    Can you please publish stats, if possible?

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    No. Can’t track regionals.

    Data is from the Core Logic website.
     
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    I think sub $600k housing market is doing better still, sweet spot for FHB and investors.
     
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    23/30 Esplanade, Brighton, Vic 3186

    23/30 Esplanade Brighton - 3 bed townhouse with sea views

    Sold March 2015 $1,953,000

    On market now for $1,585,000

    Selling agent is an out of area Chinese agent...looks like another one time “savvy investor”.... now “vendor says sell”.

    18% below 2015 price.
     
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    Pretty unique property, I'm guessing 2015 was brand new? There's not a lot of land value component in that townhouse
     
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    Whilst waiting for the assessment rate to drop to increase my borrowing capacity to what I need, I lament the speed with which some markets are moving.

    This one caught my eye when it came on the market listed at 1,400,000 to 1,500,000 and sold today for 1,950,000 :( (734 High Street, Armadale, Vic 3143)
     
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    I think lots of people would agree that property still has a bit too fall..

     
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    Wow, that's pretty fierce, I think definitely a case of 'would have been better renting'.

    What would the in and out costs come to on a deal like that? Assuming they got the utility of the unit/ rental value over the period they owned it, there's the opportunity cost of having the money parked earning a little interest, but also paying council rates etc?

    Realistically, can anyone estimate the overall loss?
     
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    over 100k stamp duty.
     
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    Rosanna and Heidelberg is more expensive now than 6 months ago. Mostly because of 0 supply.
     
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    Most of the houses for sale during that period were knock downs or ones that needed a lot of work. Recently there have been listings for very nice houses in good areas and they are all selling well, partly due to the pent up demand
     
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    Yah.

    But there was 4 beds needing renovation for 1mil 6 months back. Renovated 4 beds (not top notch) now at 1.5mil. There should be a gap. But not 500k
     
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    Like Sydney some parts are doing ok but not major up tick.

    I have one for sale....there..and will take advantage of silly people jumping into the market. Bought for 130k and will sell for 450k plus...
     
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