What do we think of the current Federal Government

In another thread, we were told that the Countries they by-pass to get to Aus are "non-signatory" or words to that effect, and therefore they would not be allowed to enter/land there as refugees.

I find it hard to believe that someone would travel all the way from India, or the Middle East etc - a very long way and passing many Countries along the way; to get to here.

Says a lot about how good Aus is though - everyone is coming here!!

Go Aussie!!

 

Seriously? Ignored. Back to discussing things with actual adults.

 

I did not say anyting was illegal or illegitimate. Concession 4 is (was) certainly unwarranted. I agree generally on Concession 1 as a principle, however, if it is true the tax credits effectively bring down the cost of fuel to 6c per litre, I question the quantum of the tax credit. Does it need to be that high?

 

I asked the question about how many we should take in in that other thread, and I didn't get an answer.

Anyway; If you put the figure at say; 1 million, what happens to the 3 year old child who is 1,000,001?

Let me qualify my position...again ....I am happy for refugees to come here - all of them....but not by boat.

But; who will be paying the bill, and how do we house/feed/employ them all?

 

Considering that most asylum seekers are prohibited from seeking employment whilst on a bridging visa, where do you propose they work?

They are also not eligible for social security payments nor social housing.

 

So how do you defend a system that increases costs (200 mill vs 1 bill) for no practical reason?

Or are you just going to ignore the question as it is too difficult?

 

Totally agree.

But; no boats - fly them in; straight to the onshore processing centres which have their own airstrip.

Minimal disruption for the refugees during travel and less cost.

Properly set-up facilities with medical, education, normal amenities for living a basic but comfortable life while waiting....books, basic TV etc.

Plenty of allegiance to Australia stuff on the coffee tables - what our society expects, what our laws are etc. Get 'em clued up from day one.

 

Your still comparing apples to oranges.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...ry_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/RefugeeResettlement

Country of resettlement
Number of persons resettled
United States of America
53,053
Australia
5,079
Canada
4,755
Sweden
1,483
Norway
1,137
United Kingdom
989
Finland
763
New Zealand
719
Denmark
324
Germany
323
All others
627
Grand total
69,252

 

It's indefensible. I hope this government closes the Manus Regional Processing Centre that the previous government reopened in 2012. As at 30 June 2015 there were 2,013 people in immigration detention facilities (1). That is an extraordinary cost for 2,000 people. We have gotten to the ridiculous situation where we now spend more money on asylum seekers than the UN spends on refugee programs in South East Asia (2).

(1) https://www.humanrights.gov.au/immigration-detention-statistics
(2) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-14/cost-of-offshore-processing-united-nations-fact-check/6609764

 

http://www.minerals.org.au/file_upl...ralia_The_Case_for_Fuel_Tax_Credits_final.pdf

You may choose not to believe it considering the source but have a read anyway.

 

Thanks for the link. I have no issues with the source at all. As I said, I support the concept of fuel tax credits. I was simply questioning the amount. Still, it would be too complex and costly to have differential industry depend rates, so we'll just leave that one alone

 

$610 per week rent!!? What the hell is she living in?

I don't know what Stevedores earn, but between my wife and I, plus our IP rental income - we are into the mid $100k per year.

We are currently trying to find a place to rent now that we've sold our house, and we are looking at 3 or 4 bed houses, with two living rooms and preferably 2 bathrooms and garage for storage of stuff.

There are decent houses available between $400 and $500 per week...this is houses, decent but not lavish, with a bit of yard....we have 3 kids, so need the space.

We hope to find one for about $450 per week. That's enough, I reckon.

This woman has two kids, used to live in a housing commission house (which are pretty average generally), so even a decent unit would be an upgrade.

A 2 or even 3 bed unit would be totally big enough for her.

$610 per week; ridiculous.

 

Given that we are geographically so far from the majority of the world's problems and refugees, I find it hard to compare what we are allowing compared to other Countries.

Don't many of these refugees walk/drive etc across land and into the neighboring Countries?

Aren't many of those refugees living in what are basically "tent cities" as well?

 

NSW

 

Turk - these figures dont include asylum seekers who just turn up. These are refugees plucked from camps or high profile asylum seekers invited over. In europe most asyslum seekers arrive by boat, car and train. They are not 'resettled' the way australia picks its refugees.

In reality, the countries listed above take many, many thousands more refugees.

 

Its the poorest countries who accept the most refugees

Rank Country Refugees per 1,000 population (2010)
1 Jordan 72.9
2 Syrian Arab Rep. 49.3
3 Congo, Rep. of 32.9
4 Chad 31
5 Montenegro 25.9
69 Australia

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/does-australia-take-the-most-refugees-check-the-facts/

 

I wouldn't exactly call having hundreds of thousands flood across your border as "accepting'' and I believe most of these countries will not actually resettle the refugees.