Westpac expense verification

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  1. big_ben02

    big_ben02 Well-Known Member

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    Hi,

    I am applying for a new home loan through Westpac. I am dealing with my business banking manager as we also have some business loans with them.

    They have asked for 12 months of statements for my accounts/loans held with other institutions.

    In terms of expenses verification - will they only look at the last 3 months, or are they likely to go beyond that?

    My average expenses for the last 3 months have been lower than the average of the 12 months.

    Thanks,
    Ben
     
  2. Jamie Moore

    Jamie Moore MORTGAGE BROKER - AUSTRALIA WIDE Business Member

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    Seems excessive- most lenders require 90 days

    Cheers

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  3. tobe

    tobe Well-Known Member

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    And westpac don’t need transaction accounts for expense verification, yet...

    I’d say your being asked to provide them for another reason. Perhaps income verification if you haven’t done 2018 tax returns, or maybe something to do with business banking.
     
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  4. Propertunity

    Propertunity Well-Known Member

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    One of my IPs is with Westpac. I'm attempting to negotiate a lower IR. One of the things they wanted was in relation to expenses. My reply to them was:
    My response to advising you of how much I pay for “Child Care, Education, Groceries, Insurance, Medical, Healthcare, Recreation, Entertainment, Transport, Clothing, Personal Care, Telephone, Internet, Pay TV and Media Subscriptions” is NO because:
    1. I don’t know
    2. I don’t care
    3. I’m not interested in finding out (If we need or want anything, we just buy it)
    4. I don’t want to waste my time finding out

    It's been less than 24 hours since I sent this to them - I'll be interested in their response :)
     
  5. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Biz banking tells me that you are applying for a non resi product, a property with a corporate trustee or something else that cant go through Adelaide credit

    so there is a reason why they want the 12 mths and its not personal expenses

    ta

    rolf
     
  6. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Sounds more like a new loan app than a reprice then.............

    ta

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  7. Propertunity

    Propertunity Well-Known Member

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    That's what I thought too @Rolf Latham. I think I just got sent the standard email they send out to people wanting to refinance and new borrowers. I'm still waiting to see how they handle my recalcitrant attitude :)
     
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  8. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    with such big words you must have gone to the same skool as Paull Keating :)

    ta
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  9. big_ben02

    big_ben02 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, the loan is a residential home loan for a house purchase but I am effectively self employed as my company (I.e I am director and my family trust is the shareholder) is a partner in a professional services firm from which I receive wages and drawings /dividends.

    Westpac is the firms banker and we have an existing relationship with this particular bank manager so they have my business debt (held in my family trust) and it makes sense to apply for the home loan through them as well.

    I was just curious as to how they reviewed my expenses, and from what you've said, providing 12 months of statements is for reasons other than expense verification.

    Ben
     
  10. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    I can see how that makes sense from the outside...........

    Objectively, if a borrower has a choice, best business practice, and finance risk management demands split banking

    That is have your business banking with lender x, and your PPOR and investments with any other lender.

    The last person you want to know about your SE incomes is your portfolio banker...........

    I have seen this destroy more than one family

    ta
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    Love it, I really interested to hear their response.
     
  12. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    As an aside, commercial bankers and many brokers dont like the split banking thing bit......... since THEIR risk management training is opposite to your ideal outcomes - they are trained for " maximum contribution"
     
  13. Simon Moore

    Simon Moore Residential & Commercial Mortgage Broker Business Member

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    In the future when getting a business loan read the documents very carefully, they will try to tie your house in.