Visa conditions to push migrants to regions

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  1. WattleIdo

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    I imagine that this proposal is more about meeting Australia's needs by sending both skilled and unskilled migrants to regional towns and cities who are literally crying out for them. It's a win-win for everyone. There are 60 million asylum seekers at present - am I right? Some of the are skilled, some unskilled. This is who we want.
    They are willing to stay in places where they can school their children, take them to doctors and dentists, get themselves educated at TAFE, study further to up-skill.
    We still need welders, nurses, aged -care workers, kindy teachers, firemen, police etc in these places and these migrants are only too happy to step into these roles in exchange for a peaceful life. They want somewhere to bring up their children.
    They also attract other skilled people to these towns, whether they be Australian born or immigrants or children of immigrants or whatever.
    Living in Wagga at preset, I can tell you it's working. Sure, some of the young adults would love to move to Sydney. The conditions state that if they want citizenship, they stay put for a while. Eventually, some will move, some will stay. Some have already moved.
    If the area that they're moving to can provide the support and th j obs, then let's do it. They will do the jobs that no-one else wants like working on railways, etc. They are happy to.
    For me the skilled migrants position is over-rated. What attitudes are we importing?
     
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    Just because regional areas are sparsely populated doesn't mean they 'are crying out for immigrants'. These areas are even less able to keep up with infrastructure for significant numbers than our cities. The water supply would have to be a limiting factor too. And these areas usually have higher unemployment than the cities (and high youth unemployment), and you would flood the jobs market with immigrants.
     
  3. WattleIdo

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    Yes, there are some which are crying out for immigrants and they have the infrastructure and water to support them. Immigrants in regional areas definitely improve the area. Not so in Sydney.
     
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    So where would they be - and how many could they absorb without having the problems I mentioned? The idea just looks like a smokescreen floated to make it look like they are doing something to alleviate the problems our cities are facing. Morrisson actually said so when the Gillard government floated the same idea!
     
  5. WattleIdo

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    Not saying this isn't true too.
    But yes here in Wagga it's working well. The kids are in school and nearly everyone else is in TAFE. There are jobs - some are working already: recycling, library assistant, welding, hairdressing, aged care, meat works etc and that's while still studying. Some were going to pick fruit but found better work, just like everyone else in Australia.
    Not only that but they are renting houses in Central Wagga (pricey) and then further out for the larger families. They've all now got or are getting Australian drivers licenses and each family owns a car. They go shopping, they use services. Dentists and doctors are well serviced. Community workers are doing over-time. Librarians are busy. Wagga needs more teachers. Keep it coming.
    Wagga is a very conservative town/city but there are many open-minded and welcoming people who have a lot to give. Immigrants who've been here for more than 10 years are saying that the atmosphere has improved in the last few years.
    The NSW country town looking to refugees to fill employment gaps as rural exodus hits hard
    Walla Walla (not Wagga Wagga) is just one example of a small town crying out for immigrants because they have jobs to be filled.
     
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    Yes, but they are all service jobs you mentioned and that's all well and good with small numbers but it's not really economically viable importing large nos of people just to provide services for each other and existing residents. Ie they really have to be producing something to call it an economic boost.
     
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    Not everything is as cut and dried as that.
    Even if only temporary, some places want people and a hellofa lot of people who are not here now want a peaceful and industious place to settle.
     
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    But our immigration policy should be primarily in the interest of our own citizens. If you are concerned about refugees we could actually take double for instance and still bring in less people.
     
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    If this is true maybe time to look at why is this the case ??
    the same people who missout on the job because of merit is gonna miss out on the job, immigrants or not, unless we get so desperate and start hiring just because.

    yes i 2nd that.

    Link Please.

    Students that come to australia are rich kids, not all of them are crazy rich asians, but most is doing better than your average australian middle class.

    dont forget the parents are paying $60-100k CASH in fees alone, Per Kid. at 3-6x exchange rate..

    not sure if your everyday average australian can stump up that amount of cash, and australian is complaining about .70cents to usd. lol.

    Most of them live like kings in their own countries, Maids, Drivers, Security guards, etc.

    having said that australia offer them a different lifestyle and hence some will choose to stay.

    i will say its a 50-50 rate, rather than all of them.
     
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    Being rich or able to afford kids' education in Australia is much more about how much their parents save for it rather than how much they earn in the first place. Asian (Chinese/ Indian) culture is VERY different when it comes to this and some people are still not realising it.

    Saving for kids' education or even wedding is simply not the culture in the western society, no matter how much people earn. Indians and Chinese save 'as much as they can' for years for these purposes, no matter how much their income is.

    All international students who come here aren't from rich families. It often means that their parents have compromised on many other aspects of life to be able to afford the kids' education or at least service their education loans. In some cases, they don't even have enough money but they simply take a risk assuming their kids will somehow manage their own living and educational expenses, particularly in the cases where the kids are admitted to ****** colleges (meaning less hours in college/studying and more hours in cash in hand work) and the main purpose is to settle here and not to gain great education. Thus, you can't put all international students in the same ('rich') bucket. Hope this makes sense.
     
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    yeah most have tons of loans at home. They need to do whatever it take to get a PR to get a good spouse and bring the parents (these parent visas should cost 10 times more, they are a pure insanity, the productivity commission estimates their cost at $400k each, that s $2billion wasted every single year).PR as part of pay package is a powerful motivator hence difficulties of local STEM graduates.

    PR are diamonds but sold off for cheap
     
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    Our producing industries are mining, farming and construction, none use permanent migrants.
     
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    Not anymore. It's hard to get PR these days unless you genuinely have skills which are in demand as per the government's lists and your English is decent. No more hanky panky stuff.
     
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    scienceman, where is the little bubble you live in? Where do you expect to get your food from ? it just magicly appears in the supermarket , right ! Regional areas have infrastructure they do have water pipes, tanks weirs and resevoirs full of water, in fact their is so much water governments are wasting it watering scrub that in it should be allowed to have dry periods to mimic natural conditions, and letting it run out to sea. There are empty houses, empty shops, empty hospitals with no staff being forced to close, people have to travel hours to give birth ! but we shouldn't try to supply that service ?, how do you expect to get your meat, without the migrant slaughter men? How would you get you bread without the Filippino mechanics who keep the harvesters running, There is plenty of fruit and vegetables going to waste ! but we shouldn't get people to pick it. Australia doesn't need to earn export income ? , we will just live on fresh air and a fart. I suppose you have a job that produces nothing, have access to Drs, dentists , electicians, mechanics, coffeeshop, smashed Avocado and a supermarket so Jack is OK but stuff every-one else they dont need service providers and the country doesn't need to produce anything but fools who only live in two cities. Have a look at towns like Pyramid Hill, Nhill, Robinvale, Mildura. ! broaden your very limited horizon. Their have been studies done on towns like Mildura Warnambool etc that show their are thousands of permanent jobs in each going begging. Hundreds of jobs in specific industries. 12,000 fruit pickers are needed in Mildura alone in the coming months.
     
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    Then why keep the immigration floodgates open?. PS I wouldn't consider construction terribly productive. And why didn't you mention manufacturing?
     
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    I am merely saying diverting permanent migrants to regional areas is expensive, impractical and not needed (our Treasury Department thinks so too). Fruit picking for instance is seasonal and can be dealing with by bringing in seasonal workers on temporary visas). As to the other production I checked my supermarket today - still well supplied with meat, bread, vegetables etc. The infrastructure is simply not there to cope with the huge nos of permanents we are bringing in - nor the jobs (you avoid acknowledging the high unemployment in these areas).Eg Mildura's unemployment is well above the state and national average: Mildura unemployment rate falls, but still above state average
     
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    Good question ! for 7/11/pizzahut/uber/meat packing/cheap&motivated, overqualified labor/keep lid on wages while selling more stuff & importing more
     
  18. scienceman

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    How ironic when with our population growth we are well on our way to out grow our food surplus and having to be a net importer of food!
     
  19. Orion

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    I think financial incentives to get jobs into the regional areas is a better way, similar to state taxes in the US (e.g. Nevada = 0% sales tax). People complain about lack of infrastructure, many big regionals already have all the required infrastructure.

    An example would be the removal of 5% (Vic) payroll tax by the state government on companies that setup shop in regionals.
     
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    removing payroll tax nationally is a good start,

    also nevada have a hell of a tourism and gambling economy.. not the best example.

    maybe deleware is better
     

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