Visa conditions to push migrants to regions

I think immigration has some impact on our wage growth the ‘gig’ economy a good example of desperate people that have little other chance of an income so earn well below award rates. But I feel a big impact is the weakening of unions and blue collar conditions, this all filters through white collar sectors as blue collar Parents no longer encourage their children to follow in their footsteps, former blue collar workers upskill themselves. These people have no connections in the industry to which their skills relate so are more likely to accept a lower wage and it all ripples from there affecting the majority of the workforce.

 

in my home country $250-$300/month was avg salary of IT or medical worker like GP/surgeon.

 

link doesn't work for me

 

because there are managers and low skill workers

Employees in high skilled jobs (skill level 1) had a middle range (interquartile range) of earnings between $1020 and $2000 per week and between $33 and $58 per hour. In contrast, workers in low skilled jobs (skill level 5) had middle range earnings between $280 and $900 per week, and between $20 and $28 per hour.

6333.0 - Characteristics of Employment, Australia, August 2017

that's 2017. in 2015 the numbers were lower

 

It's behind a paywall, but you can see this summary:

Graduates with the much-vaunted degrees of the future — in science, technology, engineering and maths — have some of Australia’s highest rates of underemployment, universities have revealed.

 

That's not what I'm saying ( your understanding of my post).
I am only talking about highly skilled migrants...and what I am saying is like your second point - they won't like regional and if they have to due to whatever immigration rules, they will look elsewhere as in different country to migrate to...leaving Australia at a loss.

 

It's a risk for employer to hire a graduate or a new skilled migrant, so these groups always have highest level of underemployment. In any country. When I was a graduate with 6 years of uni degree, I already had many years of experience. Because I was preparing for it. Some portions of experience were unpaid or low paid. Many new migrants work as volunteers for a few first months in Australia.

The world doesn't need to give graduates a job automatically. This is how the world works. I don't think it is a good idea to artificially reduce competition. In long term it is win-win for employer and employee. The communist countries had that practice to guarantee a job for most graduates, and that didn't work

The more competition, the better quality, higher skills, cheaper and better products for consumers, stronger economy

 

Exposing our kids to unfair competition is a choice.This mass immigration is hurting them for life (as they would have years of unnecessary struggle).It has nothing to do with garanteed jobs, it s just not screwing our kids for migrants benefits (mostly)

 

But the point is they are finding it harder to get jobs than other graduates. That couldn't possibly be due to us flooding the market with engineers, IT specialists etc by way of skilled immigration? What's 'artificial' about having an immigration program actually tailored to our needs and training and employing local where possible?

 

Many economist would argue pretty much the opposite:

Sweden's secret to keeping wages high

"Inequality is bad for business. Many countries try to keep wages low to boost exports, but this strategy hurts global demand since workers then have less income to spend.

Instead, an increase in wages would benefit everyone and support sustainable long-term growth — as Sweden has shown over the last two decades. Despite being an open, dynamic economy, Sweden has also seen an increase in real wages since it suffered a severe economic crisis in the early 1990s, proving that social equality, economic growth and globalization are not mutually exclusive.

Sweden’s pay rise bucks the global trend towards low wages. Since the late 1970s, wages as a share of GDP have fallen in both advanced and developing economies, while the profit share has increased. In fact, according to the International Labour Organization, the wage share has fallen in 91 out of 133 countries. Data from the IMF and OECD shows a similar trend. The consequences are growing income inequality, lower aggregate demand and slower labour productivity growth, according to several studies. This weighs on economic growth.

With wage increases no longer driving growth, two other growth strategies have emerged. The first is a debt-led strategy: household consumption is driven by rising debt, as well as asset and real estate bubbles. The second is an export-led strategy: growth is driven by net exports, which countries boost by suppressing wages. These two strategies are symbiotic. The first depends on net capital inflows to support debt-led consumption, while the second depends on net capital outflows and a current account surplus. This is not sustainable in the long run, and increases the risk of another financial crisis. A wage-led growth strategy, however, would support sustainable economic growth".

 

the government doesn't invite everyone. They invite people with skills in shortage.

Plus there are quotas for each profession

I can't say anything about other areas, but in IT there is shortage, many companies are struggling for months to hire people... even when advertised wages are in top 10%

 

The categories they invite in bear little or no resemblance to any skills shortage, and in fact with have very little in the way of genuine skills shortages. Also on average advertised jobs are filled very quickly compared to other countries.

 

There are a huge number of skilled migrants who studied in Australia with the aim of living here permanently. Anyone who can afford the costs involved in studying and migrating here has money full stop. I've met many who seemingly have so much money that they fail to do any research on cost of living in Australia and have a rude shock when they arrive.

Living standards are not defined by income - the cost of living is ridiculously important. Just saying that somewhere has a poor standard of living because the wages are lower is riduculous. Costs are not the same everywhere.

 

Definitely. A few years back the "skills shortages" list included jobs such as TV presenters, interior designers, journalists and advertising/marketing roles. Shortage my foot

 

I think if we suddenly 'turned off the tap' on migrants so to speak then we would be in deep trouble. We need to let the APRA changes fully take effect, as elsewise APRA & no migrants combined=a massive hit to the demand side.

 

Hardly anyone is saying 'no migrants', most of the calls are for it to be halved or there about. As to 'demand side' we don't have to import people to sell things to with over 7 billion people in the World. We can export and a lower dollar will help with this. In fact lowering immigration would help alleviate a lot of our economic problems.

 

not bad from unemployable - > business export seems like a big capital business -> earn 7figures

dont worry.. built it and they will come.

people pretend as if migrants take local's (of all races) jobs.

how many australians of ALL races you see working as waiters, petrol station attendants, take away jockeys, cab drivers,bus drivers, cleaners, dish washers, bouncers, fast food, construction?
i see less that 20-30%. so these jobs are filled by migrants, because someone got to do the job.

then there is skilled work,
australian still get preference, no doubt about it, just look around, open your eyes. migrants only fill in the gap.

no offence mainly because lots of australians (not all) want it easy, hence they lose out to other people who willing to do more, be it other australians or migrants.

also migrants willing to work for less that is true to, because they know they need to give something to get in the working market, something gotto give.

also dont forget this is the land of tall poppy syndrome,
they can chop their own people, you reckon they wont chop a foreigner ?
especially if foreigner can do better..

eh, australia is not alone, the world is the same. just that we are here so we see it

 

This is very true...

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I have never come across this - tall poppy syndrome ( having worked in various billion plus dollars Australian companies)
At least not explicitly..
What I have come across is lack of foresight and vision and the willingness to take risks to realise the vision. This is very different than tall poppy syndrome...from what I have seen. Its often the highly skilled migrant that brings those things...but is often unsupported (by the power that be because of the reasons you mentioned ) so if they have the skills , the world class talent often leave for US, UK etc or don't come here in the first place.
Quite sad really...the opportunity cost is high .

 

Well 2/3 of the new jobs being created are going to immigrants so I don't know about 'pretending'. And it's not 'filling a gap' when we have relatively little in the way of skills shortages.

 

Huge? Link pls.

That's nonsense. The cost of many goods are relatively the same in most countries, like petrol, cars, mobile phones, washing machines, and any other imported stuff. So when income is very low, you basically can't achieve good standard of living, even when all other people provide their services to you for free.

Before making such claims, I recommend you to choose any country and live there for a few months with 300$/month salary and then we'll see how you would say they have better quality of life in their countries than in Australia

And I'm not even touching the topics like criminals, -20..-30 in winter / +35-40 in summer without air conditioning, corruption, absence of medical services, water/air pollution, etc