Visa conditions to push migrants to regions

But why would there be more high paying jobs under mass immigration? Surely it will have the same dampening effect.

 

This idea could be brilliant, build a city from scratch with best possible infrastructure whole thing master planned, then open it up to migrants(and locals) to fill the new city. Of course Australia would not have the vision or the funding to do so, maybe get the Chinese to build it

 

Could you post those stats again as your anecdotes are rather meaningless. Also research shows that skilled migrants mostly end up working below their skill level and more so in this respect than local graduates. So it seems surprising that they will be earning more:

BOB BIRRELL Australia’s Skilled Migration Program is not delivering Scarce Skills | John Menadue – Pearls and Irritations

"As a consequence, most recently arrived skilled migrants cannot find professional jobs. This statement is based on new findings from the 2016 Census on the employment situation of skilled migrants who arrived in Australian over the years 2011-2016 (Table 1).

A huge number (256,504) of overseas born persons aged 25-34 who held degree or above level qualifications at the time of the Census arrived in Australia over these years. The vast majority, 84 per cent, came from Non-English-Speaking-Countries (NESC). The rest, just 16 per cent, came from Main-English-Speaking-Countries (MESC).

Only 24 per cent of the NESC group were employed as professionals as of 2016, compared with 50 per cent of the MESCs and 58 per cent of the same aged Australian-born graduates'.

 

It would be very risky as it would be hugely expensive and there is no guarantee that the new city would be economically viable.

 

There can be depending on the field of the migrant. IT for example can be high paying because local experience rarely matters in that case. A marketing or accounting professional would need local experience to practice their skills but a software developer surely can adjust in no time.

And yes I have seen overseas programmers getting low wages but then skilled is a relative term isn't it?

 

Similar thoughts on lack of vision.

 

I'm pretty sure that Perth was considered regional in the programme so we'll take the lot of them thanks

They'll never be able to afford to leave Perth but they'll be able to holiday in Bali for half the cost of a flight to Melbourne.

 

Birrel? Again? Come on... we discussed it and his report was critisised by media and it was concluded it's not reliable as he couldn't distinguish primary/secondary applicants and 'skilled' definition in census is not the same as government uses in their migration programs

Read this instead: https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/Repo...ch/cohort3-report-introductory-survey2015.pdf

Page 10

Skilled Migrants

Skilled Migrants reported full participation in the labour force (at 96.7 per cent) with over just under nine-in- ten (89.2 per cent) employed. This compared favourably to the general population (or Australians aged 15 years and over)—at November 2015 (the same time as the Cohort 3 CSAM survey) the labour force participation rate was 65.1per cent and the proportion employed was 61per cent. Three-quarters (77.3 per cent) reported working in full-time employment and six-in-ten (63.3 per cent) reported working in highly skilled jobs. An unemployment rate of 7.8 per cent was reported at Cohort 3—a higher rate compared to the general population (6 per cent). Median annual earnings were $60,000—$65,000 for Skilled Migrants in full-time jobs and $31,200 for Skilled Migrants in part-time jobs.

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Now exclude new arrivals or near new, and you'll see skilled migrants are not low skilled

Abs published many reports (prior to 2010) as well about it. E.g you can find easily unemployment rate by year of arrivals - it's clear that in a few years after arrival the rate is similar to avg for all Australians

 

Best working age but earning quite bellow median while being supposed working in highly skilled jobs.Right.

 

Report's gen pop median is 69.5k - not too far.
That's best working age but for many who arrived recently the worst working / stressful time. Often the first job is not highly paid. Because migrants don't have large cash buffer and lack local experience. The most important factor for new migrants - time without job. That's obvious that if you review only those who arrived 5+ years prior to report, the results will be completely different.

Page 21 - applicants by arrival year

 

So is that what you mean when you said 'stats show immigrants earn more than locals'? It looks like you are comparing the skilled stream, which is only part of the migrant intake, to the overall average for locals ,which includes low skilled workers. Ie it is not comparing apples with apples and so is misleading.


Skilled Migrants also had higher earnings on average than the Australian population, but unemployment was slightly worse than the national average.


A high

 

This is incorrect on two fronts. Firstly, US doesn’t have any skill immigration program so one can’t just “immigrate” there unless they are in queue for years through family reunion program or are already employed there in a high skilled job for years and their green card application got its turn. UK has paused their skilled immigration program several years back.

Secondly, the skilled migrants who don’t quality for national visa and have to go for regional visa are the ones who are struggling to meet the visa criteria - be it the level of skills, command over English, age, etc. It’s very unlikely that they would qualify for a better visa in Canada or NZ either. Top class engineers or scientists or accountants don’t go to regional or won’t need to go to regional - if that is your understanding.

 

You are totally mistaken. Chefs/cook or hairdressers don’t even qualify for residency easily. This was a decade ago. Most of the current immigrants are from IT/engineering, accounting, medical fields.

 

Well, according to ABS median wages of professionals/technicians is about 70K. Keeping in mind that not all skilled migrants are professionals/technicians and that large portion of applicants of that report arrived 0-2 years before compiling that report, it's clear that skilled migrants do not cut the wages, and not low skill... and earning at least as locals. btw, I saw a research where scientists found a positive correlation between wage growth in industry and number of skilled migrants - I'll post the link if I find it.

 

Not sure about other countries, but for highly skilled people, opportunities to get employed and make good money are plenty in big economies like China and India. $250-$300/month is what the skilled people pay to their driver as salary. Can’t say about other places though.

Those talented people who move here come for comfortable life or just a different life experience and it’s easy to adjust as they already know English. Others are those who weren’t among the top paid talent in their country so they would struggle to make good money there anyway. So why not struggle in other countries? At least competition will be low.

 

Really? You said the gen pop median is 69.5k - so professionals and technicians and barely more?.

 

We are talking about skilled migrants who move AFTER taking residency. They don’t need any favour from the employer apart from the market wages and that they get as most large organisations don’t have different pay slabs for locals and immigrants. Every fourth person in Sydney CBD would be an immigrant. Do you think they are all paid lower than the market rate?

Plus, you are referring to those who come on student or work visa and then struggle for residency. It’s a different group all together.

 

If those countries had skilled immigration programs. Their population is high and they don’t need to import skills.

 

Haha. Perth was never on that list but Adelaide has been the biggest city to be on the regional list for quite a few years.

 

Actually STEM graduates have some of the highest levels of underemployment:

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Also our wages growth is near record lows - but you don't think that mass immigration into a slack labour market could have anything to do with that?