VIC Land Tax - Joint Ownership

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  1. andnic

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    I joint own an IP with our trust and the land tax is as such:

    Trust is calculated at 50% of land value.
    I have been calculated at 100% of land value, this does not seem correct.
    Should I also be calculated at 50% of the value as it it jointly owned?

    We do not have any other land apart from our PPOR.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Joint owners are assessed as if they were a single owner and then assessed on their share of the land taking into account other land owned with a calculation to avoid double taxation. See s38 Land Tax Act

    A trustee is assessed at surcharge rates - s 46A
     
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    Still find it confusing and all examples have one joint owner who owns other land as well.
    From the way I read it we should both be taxed on a 50% share and trust side gets surcharge rate?
     
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    @andnic - The property is assessed at 100%, so it will sit above the land tax threshold. You are then assessed on 50% of the charge. The other party is assessed with a surcharge.
     
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    It would take me effort to work it out.

    But what does "I joint own an IP with our trust" really mean?
    A trust is not a legal person so cannot own property. Do you mean you are joint owner with someone else who is a trustee of a trust?
    If so that in itself would be most unusual, but could happen as a result of a will.
     
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    Sorry had that part wrong, it is owned by myself and our company which is through the trust.
    Just want to confirm we should both be taxed on 50% of the value?

    As it is now company is taxed on 50% and I am being taxed on 100% of the land value.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    What does that even mean? Is the company acting as trustee?
    What % do you own and what % does the company own?

    (and why is it held this way?)
     
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    Very unorthodox. If jointly I have concerns. You die and the property passes to a disc trust and may be outside the will. I have seen it a few times with a unit trust and its still not quite right but can be in rare cases.
     
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    Hi Terry

    In Vic are joint owners and tenants in common treated the same way?
     
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    That depends. Is it a unit trust or individuals
     
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    JT is treated as if TIC in equal shares.
    TIC in unequal shares is treated differently because of secondary assessment
     
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    Thanks Terry.
     
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    We have a Unit Trust of which the Company is the Trustee.
    There is a partition agreement in place for when the land is subdivided.
    Company has 56% share and I have 44%.
    When subdivided company owns back block and I own the existing house.
    Should the land tax be based on 56% of land value for company (Which it is) and 44% of land value for me (Currently taxed on 100% of land value)?
     
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    no i dont think so. get some specific legal advice.
     
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    Hi @Terry_w , should there be a land tax in Vic if the land site value is $383k which has the joint ownership of 50/50 between a couple? I thought it would be assessed as half half which would make it under $250k threshold.
     
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    Yes as joint owners are assessed as if they were one owner.
     
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