Unrest in the USA at the moment

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  1. geoffw

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    Incorrect (yourself and myself for starters), and irrelevant.
    It will never be fixed. But that shouldn't stop anybody from doing their bit to make things better.
     
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    I disagree, it is relevant
    Same as if you have lived in Oz you have a chance of understanding what is going on. Reading papers that may be half truths wont cut it.

    Thats my point..... it will never be fixed

    If you find a cure for racism can you let me know
     
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    Step 1: R-E-S-P-E-C-T
     
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    Maybe our NZ cousins can lend the USA Jacinta Ardern for the next month or so to show them how to get things underway ...
     
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    Step 2: understanding
     
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    While I disagree with 90% of what Shapiro says I think guys like him and Larry Elder offer another perspective (and yes I don't agree with all he has to say either) which ought to be heard because you're not going to hear it in mainstream left journalism. Take fatherless black children for example, a truly massive issue in that community and one worthy of discussion, but talk about it and the 'woke' left will censor you by demonisation.
     
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    Agree with you
    Most of my tenants in US are single African American women, no partners
     
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    Step 3: tolerance
    Should be taught from daycare/kindy and in every household
     
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    ... but what is the reason behind the issue of fatherless black children? There is always cause and effect.

    Is it because of lack of education of the mothers - lack of personal self-respect by the fathers - lack of access to birth control - lack of community support - lack of feeling of self worth - lack of worthy role models ... ?

    The situation perpetuates itself due to the society in which it exists. The cycle needs to be broken - and this isn't done by meting out violent "justice" or perpetuating ever widening inequality
     
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    Psychedelic clinical trials are gaining traction in the states to treat depression, anxiety, addiction, ptsd etc.. if every adult took a trip, i think racism could be wiped out in a short space of time.. replaced with love/acceptance
     
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    Can you write your cure steps in caps separated by hyphens please.

    It looks more scientific/evidenced-based and helps some people understand the difficult concept you are describing :rolleyes:.
     
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    I actually do agree with this somewhat.
    I'm somewhat of a leftie, though not a complete one. I read Fox News weekly, because I think it's good to get that opposing point of view. Not that I ever agree with anything that's written, but at least I know about it.
    On Facebook, I also follow Adam Bandt (Greens) and there was a discussion about the Stolen Generation and how aboriginal children are still being taken from their homes. There were a few trolls that came to argue, but some of Adam's followers seemed to think that no indigenous children should be taken away from their families ever. Obviously, that's not a very good answer either to leave children in homes where they might be experiencing neglect and/or abuse.
    I do agree that we need to assess our own beliefs critically and they need to be up for debate. While fatherless children can become president of the United States (Obama), they do face many obstacles in life.
    I'm always wary of people that know exactly what the answer is for a complex problem. In my opinion, there's never a good solution, just a number of bad and terrible solutions to choose from.
     
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    If it were that simple ......

    If you live in a capitalist society then there will always be inequality, and racism feeds on that
     
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    It is that simple.

    If you live your own life with respect, understanding and tolerance then your little sphere of the world will be a better place ... and then if each of those people follow your example and the sphere expands ... then then those people ...

    Racism feeds on one type of people believing they are superior to another simply due to the colour of their skin - their religion - their eye colour - where they were born - or a myriad of reasons that are not in the control of the person being targeted. Racism is taught - one is not born with it - and is simply a means for one group to try and make themselves superficially supreme at the expense of another

    I think you'll find that it is racism and persecution that breed inequality, rather than the other way 'round.
     
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    Huh? that's a weird link.. there can be different kinds of inequality for different reasons.. capitalism and racism have nothing to do with each other, imo.
    It's not like socialism/communism is the answer.. If I were coloured, there is no chance I'd even think about going to socialist/communist Russia/China.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. I'm sure everyone has heard of the "brown eyes, blue eyes" experiment.

    One of our sons had a teacher give this a go in his class in suburban Brisbane. Though the children knew it was just an experiment, and the teacher explained about the history of the experiment and that she wanted the class to get a feeling for how it feels to be "outside", ostracised or treated differently due to the colour of your skin or your eyes, I recall his distress at being in the brown eyed group. I think from memory the experiment may have lasted the whole day, and he cam home very upset by how he felt ostracised.

    If one child can feel upset by being marginalised for one day, even knowing it was just an experiment, imagine how powerful that experiment would be if every teacher taught it, gave every privileged white student a little taste of how it feels.

    I'm proud of our sons and the way they do not judge anyone by skin colour, wealth or lack of wealth.
     
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    That's 'cause Russia and China are not actually socialist - they are communist ruled by oligarchies. The meaning of socialism has been distorted in recent years by a particular political leaning party, as if being socialist was a "very bad thing" (when it's not).

    What Is the Difference Between Communism and Socialism?

    This might be a clearer explanation, and the reason why the term is now democratic socialist:

    Here's the difference between a 'socialist' and a 'democratic socialist'
     
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    It sounds very nice, but you cant control everyone and you wont get rid of inequality, unless you get rid of our capitalist system

    This is a very good article

    Racism 'won't go away' even if we're all mixed-race in the future | Metro News
     
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    Here you go
    Racism 'won't go away' even if we're all mixed-race in the future | Metro News
     
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    Yes, i fixed it.. either way, ideology that is supposed to ensure some sort of wealth equality, shelter and job security, does not practice racial acceptance..
     
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