Food & Dining Type 2 Diabetes

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  1. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    Is that akin to cinnamon sugar on donuts?

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    Just curious , what are some of your example dinners?

    I couldn't imagine many meals without the one of the above 3 in them.
     
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    I'm eating a lot of steamed vegetables, just no potato. I like steamed vegetables.

    If having something that would normally have rice, I just leave out the rice. Like I said, this is nothing new, as I'm not a big fan anyway. Or, substitute with cauliflower rice. It helps that I love cauliflower.

    So, I could have meat (steak, chops, anything really) with salad or steamed veggies. Too easy!
     
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    Conventional wisdom is that Type II diabetes is for life and that you should just work on managing the symptoms.

    Take a look at the cover of Diabetic magazines:

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    Desserts and high carb foods as far as the eye can see!

    So, you have a problem with your blood sugar levels and the solution is to eat lots more sugar? Riiiggghhhhttt okay then.

    (Image taken from this article: Why Won’t We Tell Diabetics the Truth?)

    Good on you for going against convention and finding something that works, skater.

    There's a lot of good research coming out now that challenges the conventional approach to weight management and also a lot of evidence linking the food industry to literally decades of bad advice which is still being handed out by professionals who should know better.

    What you are doing is not a fad (as I've heard it called), nor some wacky new idea (actually, there are accounts as early as the 1890s showing how effective your approach to eating can be) - there is a lot of scientific research which supports what you are doing and a lot of people are starting to pay attention.

    One day I'll tell my story - twice in the past month I've had people I know but haven't seen in over a year walk right past me because they didn't recognise me :D

    Awesome job skater.
     
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    We spend a horrendous amount on F&V each week - I've already eaten 6 cherry tomatoes, 2 carrots and a handful of 1" cherries - still have the stone fruit and yoghurt for the rest of the day. I can't live without my seasonal fruit and veg.

    Love the attitude - sample not gorge. :)
     
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    I have been trying for 6 years now trying keep my sugar levels low,and what i have found is some of the data that is out there on different foods and sugar levels for Diabetes is different for every person some foods i eat which by all the government health sites say have zero sugar will bump up my blood sugar levels ..It takes a while to work out what works and what bumps up the sugar levels and the time it takes to come back down,but walking every morning and fasting for 24 hours is sometimes the only way..

    A lot of people would not try this but it works very well for me,i grow my own ginger mint garlic ,i mix a small amount into a cup with manuka 40 plus then add 2 spoons of turmeric with semi hot water ,even with the honey it bring the sugars level down very quickly..imho..
     
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    Negligent as well ;-)
     
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    I know! It's everywhere! I've had advice from several well meaning people.

    Example 1 - Lady with huge issues with her diabetes, constantly hospitalised because of it. "Don't stress too much. Your body knows what it wants. If you feel like a hamburger & coke, then have it"

    Example 2 - Had to go to a family wedding. Reception at a Chinese restaurant. Menu included such inspiring dishes as Prawn Toast & Fried Rice. They asked if there were any dietary special needs & I said that I needed to be careful, as I'm diabetic. The response was "Oh, don't worry. There are several diabetics in the brides family, so the menu has been selected with them in mind. The fried rice & prawn toast are both excellent carbs for this condition"

    Yes, I know. I've spent hours doing research, although if I mention what I'm doing most people scoff & say "oh, that's bad for you. Breakfast is the most important meal of the day." I'm pretty sure prehistoric man didn't wake up in the morning & say "Oh, I must have my Wheaties". With that in mind, breakfast is the perfect meal to miss out on, and you DON'T gorge later, unless you put something stupid into your mouth, like a doughnut, to send your sugars soaring.

    After reading so much science behind it all, what I'm doing makes perfect sense to me, and the trade off is that I seem to be so much happier. I catch myself just walking with a big silly grin on my face, for no reason at all. It's really strange.

    Please do! I'd be very interested to hear it. It took a lot of courage for me to write this, but I thought that if it helps just one person, then it's worth putting it out there.
     
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    I think the fasting is one of the key ways to do it. I mean, if whenever you eat something you get an insulin spike, and you can't burn fat when you've got insulin running around. If you don't eat, you don't get an insulin spike & it gives your body time to use the blood sugars.

    Whoever decided that in order to keep your blood sugar level, you should eat 6 small meals a day, should be shot. Yes, it keeps it steady. Steadily high.
     
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    LOL! I'm not perfect. I had a Magnum the other day. :eek:
     
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    The interesting part is once you read and study up on who writes those diets up the more you read some have strong links to the sugar industry
    and the fast food outlets ..But if i was to have 6 small meals a day it would be very hard for the sugar levels to stay low , just part of life when you get on the wrong side of 60..

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    I think it was the breakfast cereal companies that started this up
     
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    Thanks @skater for sharing - you've got some great tips there... and the courage to let us hear your story! Well done for your efforts. My hubby is going to see doc this arvo thinking he might be pre-diabetic..... so I'm guessing things are going to change around here too.:)
     
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    I'm lucky in that Hubby supports me 100%....and the kids have both left home. I always find it hard, when there's junk in the house. If it's there, then I want to eat it. Not having either of the kids around all the time now, the cupboards don't magically get filled up with stuff I haven't bought.:D

    Hubby is under strict instructions.
    1) Don't eat breakfast. If you MUST, then don't let me see you. Do it when I'm in my office, otherwise engaged, or eat stuff that I don't like.
    2) Don't buy junk food. He's pretty good most of the time anyway. If you feel like a snack, go out, eat it while you are out & DON'T BRING ANY HOME.

    I've also been really unsocial since diagnosed. My first priority was seeing if I could turn this around. That meant that I did hardly any socialising over the last couple of months. I know my weakness, and will snack continually if food is put in front of me, so I stayed home, like a hermit.

    I'm hoping that I can re-adjust, but just want to get the weight off first.
     
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    I was of the opinion that a breaky with protein, such as eggs, is a good start to the day and leaves you feeling fuller for longer.

    Skater, you mentioned earlier you're having omelettes? has this been working?
     
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    It certainly has! Not for breakfast though. I eat around mid-day. Two eggs, heaps of veggies, heaps of black pepper.
     
  17. Simon Hampel

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    I have learned that insulin response is responsible for a lot of the weight related problems many people have - but to make things really complicated, different people can have very different insulin responses to the same food - which is why some people naturally tend to put on weight easily, while others don't.

    There is also a growing pool of anecdotal evidence that certain "low carb" sweeteners can cause a significant insulin response in some people - despite having little or no carbohydrate - with some women suffering from this effect much more than others and more than men in general.

    I've read a lot of reports when people (women, specifically) were struggling to lose weight even though eating a very low carb diet - but still having a lot of artificial sweeteners to satisfy their sugar cravings. Going cold turkey on the artificial sweeteners then helped them start making progress again. There seems to be something else happening in the body in response to these sweeteners - it's not just carbohydrates which cause an insulin response - there are certain other chemicals which do the same, which makes them just as bad as carbs for causing weight problems - even though they are rather ironically promoted as the best alternative to sugar for weight loss. They do exactly the opposite!

    The problem is that this doesn't seem to be universal - so very much a case of YMMV.

    Similarly there are some types of food (particularly starchy foods such as rice and potatoes) which generate a significant insulin response in some people but not as much in others. I seem to recall some other foods which were very low in carbohydrate but which seemed to generate an insulin response - but I can't recall where I read that now.
     
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    Funnily enough I've just moved to a 16-8 type of daily IF. I've experimented with it in the past but I've now officially adopted it as the best way for me to eat. I've dealt with (albeit not formally diagnosed) IBS for years,
    Current method of limiting sugars, wheat, rice, dairy, mainly just having fruit/veg/legumes and only eating between 12 and 8 is working. Still some experimentation to go regarding actual food types and balances, but I too am a big fan of "skipping breakfast".
     
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    Skipping breakfast is amazingly easy. Some days I get hungry around 11am, so I will eat then, but in the main, it's really easy. One thing that is bothering me though.....and it's only the past couple of weeks....and that is constipation. There's plenty of fresh veggies & plenty of water going in, so I'm not sure why I'm having this problem.
     
  20. Simon Hampel

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    Part of that is your body changing - will take a while to get used to it and for things to settle down.

    Even though you're drinking lots of water - you may still be a bit dehydrated.

    Try moving a bit more if possible too - even light exercise will help the digestive system.

    In the meantime, try stirring a tablespoon of Psyllium Husk into a glass of water and drinking that daily - great source of fibre and almost no carbs. Just make sure you drink plenty of water with it because it expands when it gets wet - can be a bit uncomfortable if you don't have enough water.

    Also: Common Low-Carb Side Effects & How to Cure Them
     
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