The upside to a Trump presidency

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  1. wategos

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    Most of this deal was created under Obama last year, but then parts of it withheld in an attempt to reduce the atrocities committed by the Saudi regime and their human rights abuses. Trumpy clearly doesn't care too much about human rights.

    What America’s new arms deal with Saudi Arabia says about the Trump administration
    "Trump seems more than willing to cast aside the growing evidence of the kingdom’s brutal actions in Yemen in order to pass an arms deal — especially if he thinks he can get something out of it in return.

    And that’s precisely why Saudi Arabia — and numerous other countries who have been lectured about human rights by the Obama administration for the past eight years — are so happy to have Trump in the Oval Office now. It’s much easier to commit massive human rights abuses when the people selling you weapons don’t particularly care how you use them, as long as you pay up."
     
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    defeating isis would be a good start...this is a bloke who is prepared to try and work with previously less than amicable Countries to try and remove world-wide threats against innocent folks.

    Dropping the M.O.B on that isis instillation is a good start too.

    Removing criminal illegal border crossers from harming USA citizens would be a pretty good start too.

    Trying to implement more intense vetting of refugees to protect his own USA citizens would be another.

    Bombing Assad's airbases to put him on notice so he doesn't kill his own Citizens again would be another.

    Tell us more about his proven human rights violations that you are aware of.

    Speaking of Saudi Arabia; we have seen endless protests about Trump's supposed anti-women stance by countless womens' groups...Madonna wants to blow up the W.H...on and on it goes.....yet; I am still to see even ONE protest by any Womens' groups against islam for its suppression of women under its sharia Laws and religious ideology....

    The hypocracy and selective outrage is fabulous
     
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    funny you should ask.. here is a comprehensive, updated tracker of moves against human rights initiated by the Trump administration. The list is maintained by a respected university, it is not "fake news".

    Trump Human Rights Tracker
     
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    English would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

    So you dont understand the question?
    Insults are never going to work on a forum, we have moved on surely?
     
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    "Human rights are moral principles or norms,[1] which describe certain standards of human behaviour, and are regularly protected as legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable[3]fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being,"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings"[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status.[3] " - Wikipedia.

    First of all; a Human Right is subjective.

    For example; The Left in the USA believe that illegal border crossers have a right to enter the Country illegally to escape whatever "hardship" they might be experiencing in their own Country, and reside in the USA, and if they remain there for an in-terminate period of time; they have the right to remain.

    Wrong; they have broken one of the Country's Laws as per the Constitution - they have entered the Country illegally, and can therefore be deported as per the USA Constitution and Federal Laws.

    They have no Right to be in the Country at all; it is only a moral viewpoint of the Left that they should be allowed to stay.

    Indeed; the Left in the USA - the Democrats, most of the Leftwong mainstream media, all human rights, activists, most of Hollywood - don't even refer to these people anymore as illegal border crossers - they refer to these people as "immigrants". Of course; this is all part of the narrative to steer people away for the actual reality, and to try and push the narrative that these people have a right to be in the Country....it's a pretty clever trick that some fall for.

    An immigrant is a person or persons who applies for immigration in it's various forms as laid out under that Country's set of parameters and divisions

    This distinction between a moral view and and actual human right needs to be made aware of when discussing all things deemed to be a "Human Right violation" when reported by the Left side of Politics...much of the Left's side of Politics and beliefs are centred around predominantly moral issues; not actual rights issues.

    Further to this; the vast majority of Universities in the USA (and in Australia have now been hi-jacked by the Left, and therefore their view of what constitutes a Human Rights violation will be heavily biased and arguably inaccurate - or even wrong.

    Now that these distinctions an biases has been made clear; let us begin to disseminate Trump's "Human Rights violations" as deemed by the Left:

    1. Risks the right to privacy - not a human right, and not illegal. As long as providers nominate that they will use the information it is legal. Plus; was resolved in both the Senate and Congress....hardly can be "blamed" on Trump alone in any case.
    USA Privacy Act - "One is the invasion of privacy, a tort based in common law allowing an aggrieved party to bring a lawsuit against an individual who unlawfully intrudes into his or her private affairs, discloses his or her private information, publicizes him or her in a false light, or appropriates his or her name for personal gain".

    2. Undermines women’s rights, Undermines women’s right to health, Risks women’s right to life - not a removal of Human Rights; just a removal of overseas funding for partly humanitarian aid. Their own Govt can still fund the scheme (and should).

    3. Risks right to life - allows the Armed Forces to use lethal force to remove those who are targeting civilians. Not a removal of human rights - if anything; will allow the USA Armed Forces to save many lives under persecution for islamic terrorists.

    4. Risks right to life, Risks right to freedom of expression,Risks the right to peaceful assembly, Risks war crimes and other serious violations of the laws of war - Not a Human right violation; Arms deal was done with the view of supporting Saudis in ongoing halt to expansion of Iran, and to assist the Saudis in the fight against terrorism - Iran is the no.1 State which funds terrorism.
    "The decision highlights the Trump administration’s outreach to traditional Gulf Arab allies, which the White House sees as a bulwark against Iranian expansion and a partner in the fight against terrorism. Trump met earlier this month with Saudi Arabia’s deputy crown prince in Washington, while Secretary of State Rex Tillerson met U.A.E. Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed."

    5.
    Risks right to a healthy environment, Risks rights to life, water and sanitation, food, health, housing, self-determination, culture, and development - Not a Human Rights violation; the benefit of the Obama order is only an opinion. Much of what constitutes Global Warming and "Climate Change" is based on models only - and much has been proven incorrect and over-exaggerated at best over the last two decades.

    6. Undermines non-discrimination and gender equality in the workplace - no Human Rights Violation; the pay of women across the Country is already equal to that of men (except in some sports prize monies). The difference in pay is based on choice to leave the workforce, or choice to seek more flexible hours, less hours - all related to choice to raise families. All industries have sexual harrassment issues on both sides which can be followed up through Courts.

    7. Risks the right to safe and clean drinking water, Risks the right to a healthy environment, Risks the right to health - No Human Rights violation - piplelines are underground and sealed, and only Leftwing activists believe any environmental issues with production of oil and transport of oil through pipelines. More Leftwing beat-up.
    "The pipeline could have severe consequences for water rights and for the environment. It risks oil spills along the terrain covered by the pipeline, potentially leaking hazardous chemicals and contaminating the Ogallala Aquifer, the United States’ largest aquifer."

    8.
    Risks undermining the right to non-discrimination based on national origin or religion, Risks right to privacy, Risks right to freedom of expression - No Human Right violation - goes to the necessity for the Government to enforce it's obligation to protect its citizens from islamic and all other forms of terrorism.

    9. Undermines U.S. commitment to regional and international human rights and to the institutions set up by governments to monitor human rights - Not a Human Rights violation. Not attending a meeting has no bearing on the USA stance on Human Rights whatsoever - again; Leftwing outrage, but no violation.

    10. Undermines right to non-discrimination, Risks right to equal protection before the law,
    Undermines rights of women and LGBT persons
    - No Human Rights violations - allowing free speech. The C-FAM organisation is non-Partisan. More Leftwing outrage, but o violations.

    I didn't pursue the next 10 in this post - ran out of time....

    But the pattern is already there with these first 10 issues, and if anyone cares to read the next ten in depth they will see the same; outrage, but no actual Human Rights violations.

    As you can see from the link you provided; every single publication is a Leftwing leaning association to these issues, and these issues are not actually any violation of anyone's Rights - they are all deemed that by an outraged Leftwing....

    Gender bathroom orders and so on.

    Based on existing Laws and regulations; no violations.

    Nothing to see here, folks.
     
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    So you dont understand the question?
    Insults are never going to work on a forum, we have moved on surely?[/QUOTE]
    What a difference a full stop makes. After re-reading your question I understand it.
     
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    What a difference a full stop makes. After re-reading your question I understand it.[/QUOTE]

    my fingers are faster than my brain, I type 90 wpm:) and boasting
     
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    More upside;
     
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    Again, as with Watego's post; much ado over stuff that is needed to be done to repair the Country, but deemed unfair or heartless etc by the Left.

    Just because it is a new legislation doesn't mean it is bad...of course; any form of hand-out taken away is deemed horrific by the Left.

    We are doing precisely the same here in Aus - constantly ramping up the hand-outs and schemes.

    It all sounds great, but the Countries need to be trying to help folks get off the Govt teat and provide for themselves, otherwise how is this ever-increasing spending ever going to decrease?

    1. Nancy Devos - cuts "forgiveness loans" funding for Federal Students and non-profit Organisations. Good legislation. They can keep on working at their job and pay off their own loans. Moral outrage from the Left. Reverses a free handout and puts revenue back into the coffers.
    Also; "school choice" -
    Under DeVos, Here's How School Choice Might Work
    Devos education budget - trims 13% from Education budget, but will further the chances for many lower income students to acquire funding for Private Schools.
    "School choice comes in many forms, but DeVos and the American Federation for Children have long advocated for vouchers and tax credit programs that provide public money to families in order to pay private school tuition. While proponents argue these initiatives provide a lifeline to low-income students, critics say they drain resources from public schools and are ineffective at improving student achievement."
    Under DeVos, Here's How School Choice Might Work

    2. Low-wage retirement 401K plan - initiated and funded by various States. Another hand-out.
    Low-wage earners won't provide for their own 401K - but should. Or; their Employer might. However; we have seen this idea in Aus with the Super Guarantee, and the resulting extra cost to Employers has affected jobs growth in our Country.
    This report blames income inequality - but doesn't address the real causes - over-supply of low-income labour (from illegal border crossing labour force and normal legal immigration in excess of 1 million people per year) and endless loss of jobs due to loss of manufacturing from uncompetitive tax rates and global competition from cheaper manufacturing costs. This has led to a climate of over-supply of labour; forcing wages to remain low for several years.

    3.Net neutrality -
    "Under the Obama administration, the FCC essentially treated internet service providers like utility companies, regulating them so that they couldn't prioritize certain internet content or provide faster connection speeds to websites and companies that pay extra."
    Allows more competition and a free market..

    4. Climate change policy to cut down greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles - no need to comment further. Climate change is a scam. Half of the Hollywood GW/CC activists are the worst offenders - but beside that point - it's a scam.
    [​IMG]

    Hopefully Trumpy will pull out of the stupid Paris Agreement, so he can redirect more funds back into more beneficial programs for the Citizens.
     
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    What? By cutting the safety net for the poorest and most vulnerable whilst adding to the pockets of the rich (including himself)?

    Be nice to see need take precedence over greed but can't see that happening on this watch

    Trump's budget looks like big gifts for the rich, big cuts for the poor
     
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    I find this belief incredible, extremist websites like conservativetribune which you often quote have altered your perception of reality.
    This is "flat-earther", "government did 9/11", "moon landing hoax" territory.
     
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    Another day in paradise .... Pope and Trump ....All good here
    Don't you love Italy:). I think Malenia wore black, how thoughtful
     
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    nasty, I ignore this stuff, rubbish, do you watch Fox, excellent:)
     
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    Actually; I get posts on FB from a few people who are totally in the tank for the "9/11 inside job" conspiracy, and "the CIA are the biggest terrorists" theory...and guess what else they are - anti/never-Trumpers.

    As for Conservative Tribune; it's not "extremist" - that's only your viewpoint.

    My experience in life is that often times anyone with a Conservative viewpoint (me) is dubbed an extremist or "far-right" conservative by people who lean to the Left....fascist and Nazi are also throw in a lot...it's quite inaccurate.

    Anyway; back on the Upside of Trump; how good was his speech to those 50 Arab Leaders on driving out islamic fanaticism?

    Finally, we have someone of massive world prominence who will stand up and call out this issue, and put it fairly and squarely in the laps of the people who run the ideology to do reform it from within.

    Mal Turncoat should take a leaf out of that book,,,but he won't; he'll waffle on and say bugger-all with any conviction, then send a text to Waleed and Yasmin saying sorry for speaking about it at all.


    Of course; Trumpster will be called a Bigot and a "racist" (I don't know how; considering islam is not a race) by those of the Left who seem to want to always deflect and apologise, or trot out the "what about Christianity?" card.

    Timely speech give what happened one day later in Manchester....terrible tragedy.
    Gorka: ‘Fake News’ Pushing ‘Literal Propaganda’ on Trump Trip
     
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    Already covered this;
    1. Cuts to Medicaid (Over $600 billion in the next decade)
    2. Cuts to food stamps, known as SNAP ($193 billion over 10 years)
    3. Cuts to student loans ($143 billion over 10 years)
    4. Cuts to federal worker retirement programs ($63 billion over 10 years)

    Much of it is handouts, and the reply is that if welfare was so successful; there'd be no welfare.

    Why should the Government give students a free pass on a LOAN? Do the Banks give you a free pass on a loan if you are having trouble paying it, or decide you don't want to??

    Sorry; but nothing is free; despite what the Left would like.

    Here's the other view; by providing massive tax cuts - across the board to all people and Companies - you do two things which decrease the necessity for hand-outs (that people will gleefully accept and then continue to expect more of same).

    1. All wage earners - get to keep more of the money they earn in their pocket....this in turn gets recycled back into the economy as retail spending, good and services spending, and becomes more tax revenue. It may or may not increase the revenue base, but it stimulates economic activity, and this can in turn increase.....JOBS, and ultimately more tax revenue that can be redirected into welfare programs, infrastructure etc..

    2. Company tax cuts - the Left will immediately say that "it is a tax cut for the rich!"....the vast majority of businesses in the USA (and here in Aus) are small businesses run by often times a family, or husband and wife who employ a handful of people...they are rarely "rich". But if they are; so what? They have put themselves on the line, provide employment etc; they deserve a bit of a reward for endeavor.

    Providing tax cuts ON PROFITS (assuming they make one) enables the Company to retain more of their turnover, which can then be redirected into more EMPLOYEES, more improved equipment, business expansion which means more JOBS....

    Which leads to more economic activity, more tax base, more Government revenue for more programs and infrastructure etc.

    Sure; there will be some Companies which will pay their owners (themselves) more dollars from the dividends from those profits..So what? Business owners are there to provide for their own future, as well as maybe following a passion - if they are lucky enough to find a job that can do that - but initially; it's all about becoming personally better off.

    This mindset of "hate the greedy rich who rip off the poor" is destructive and fosters a victim/welfare leaner mentality.

    Will the tax base revenue decrease with these proposed tax cuts? In the shot term; possibly.

    But; the longer term outcome is much more economic growth, more jobs, more opportunities for all.

    You cannot tax your way to prosperity; it has been proven time and time again.
     
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    I find that people who are smashing schools, attacking people physically, trying to shut down free speech, threatening them with violence - just because they have a different political view; or happen to support or like Trump - extremists.

    Yet; people of the Left don't seem to see much of a problem with that.

    Two very different forms of behaviour...one is a platform reporting news, that is not calling for death to (insert minority group - or individual - here), etc.

    Yet; we very rarely see the CNN's the MSNBC's report or call out these acts.
     
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