The race is on....Federal Election 2019

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scott No Mates, 28th Mar, 2019.

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  1. TAJ

    TAJ Well-Known Member

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    I agree Hammer.
    People have become disillusioned with the 2 main parties and are now starting to drift to the extremes to at least align with "Something". The middle ground equates to pretty much nothing anymore and people are sick of it. Politicians in general are on the nose with the general public for very good reason.
    Don't be surprised if the so - called lesser parties gain more traction after this next election. I don't agree with a lot of their ideology, but can certainly see why they are becoming more popular.
     
  2. LibGS

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    What metrics are you using to assess these? Given that the economy is there to serve all of society, most people rightly or wrongly, feel that the economy isn't serving their needs. Underemployment has recently risen to 8.1%. People aren't happy and they will vote accordingly.

    But unfortunately the LNP is laying plenty of of economic traps for Labor, (as did John Howard by leaving Australia in a structural debt) so that when Labor has to make hard decisions to fix this mess, the LNP and the misinformed can point their fingers and say "see, crap economic managers".
     
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    I'm looking at this from a big picture sense.

    Compared to the vast majority of countries in the world....things are pretty good here in Oz.

    It's by no means perfect, but still good enough to make most people on the planet envious.
     
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    I must be the exception ;), I've been over-employed for 4 of the last 5 years & only recently reduced my workload.
     
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  5. LibGS

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    What objective metrics are you using? GDP, GDP per head, happiness, quality of life, what about societal inequality? Anyone can use subjective measures to prove their point.

    Is being not as crap as other countries good enough?
     
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    Is a single point of data statistically significant? It was not raining 5 minutes ago, that must tell me the weather for the next 5 years. It's great for you, but not relevant. But you are protected species and your post will survive, congratulations .
     
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    I received this (Linky) in my twit feed. Makes you think twice about how socialist you really are even if you only consider yourself a closet socialist.

    I live in a bubble (tech bubble, property bubble, bubble bath etc) each bubble is different inflating at it's own rate and will either deflate or explode at some point in time. Diversification is all about not being over-exposed in any one endeavour or client. I an but one point in millions, the bell curve will wipe me out statistically but I still eek out my meagre existence albeit insignificant.

    Conversely, will that still be insignificant when the statistician looks to the 5% outside of their confidence limits? That some actuary will decide it is far easier to pursue the next 2% than the entire 5%? Money for jam.
     
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    I think it's more a case of Labor planning changes to redistribute wealth based on ideological grounds.
    The country will most likely be in a recession within 12 months.
    The Liberal government has been disappointing no doubt, but I can see few positives ahead in the short term.
     
  9. LibGS

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    Wow, calling me a socialist now. I think you need to look up the difference between social policies and socialism. And do some actual research on what inequality does to an economy.

    Poisoning the Well: Liberal spending splurge to bury Labor in debt - Michael West
     
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    They were two distinct comments in the one post.

    What if Labor doesn't get in? Will it still be a booby trap for the libs if stuck with all this 'structural debt' or do they have some talisman to ward off economic woes?
     
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    You are still calling me a socialist. But don't worry, you are amongst friends here, you are allowed to :)

    Of course it won't be. In the same way the debt and deficit disaster disappeared once the Libs got in. The same Libs who doubled ALL debt accumulated since Federation. The Libs will fix this, but they will sell a mountain of public assets to do so, things that were free to the public will now cost money.
     
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    Like always.
     
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    If the majority votes LNP, then Labor won’t have to make any hard decisions :D.

    Problem solved ;).
     
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    Good. Time to shake up the monopoly board, to allow those who came into the game 3 hours later, to have an easier time. I'm not afraid of losing some of my privilege. But you are, I get it, and that's ok with me. :)

     
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    The LNP and the ALP are both guilty of selling public assets.

    When you say “things were free to the public”, you mean “paid by taxpayers”?
     
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    Some really interesting criteria to determine privilege:

    1. Both parents still married.
    2. Strong father figure (no mention of strong mother figure :eek:).

    Sorry, not my criteria to determine privilege ;).

    I am all for “equality of opportunity”.

    But some want “equality of outcome”. Totally different thing.

    Edit: To explain opportunity vs outcome. An example:-

    I believe that males and females have an equal opportunity to become primary school teachers in Australia.

    Recent statistics show that the outcome is around 18% of primary school teachers are male.
     
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    Yeah, I'd like to know of one thing or some asset which doesn't require money or incurred a cost in the past in order to function. Breathing doesn't count.
     
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    I see what you did there :) These aren't criteria, these are particular events leading to outcomes.

    Equality of outcome is important. Would it be reasonable to point to stairs and expect a person in a wheel chair to get up. Or do we make efforts to change things to allow them to get up the stairs. What actually matters is that they get to the top of the stairs.

    Why didn't this guy take up the opportunity given to him? What a leaner!

    Paraplegic athlete drags himself through airport after wheelchair left behind on flight
     
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    You did say one. The environment. Will you now change your question to fit your narrative?
     
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