The coalition is pretty much ignoring Climate Change

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Elections are so polarised. The older generation who value minimising taxes and inflating the value of their property assets, such as most propertychat viewers, will vote for the coalition. They think it is absurd that Labour looks to implement something so radical and "backwards". = definitely won't vote.

Millenials like me, who still care about not paying a lot of tax, take issue with the fact that the coalition pretty much ignoring / not addressing Climate Change.. We think this is something so radical and "backwards". = definitely won't vote.

 

If that is the case....labor has lost the election...I think there are about 17 million voters....about 5.5m baby boomers...another 3.0m odd over 65s other than baby boomers....another 3m odd Gen Xers. That leaves about another 6m under 43s....it gonna get interesting...

Whoever did the number for labor...did not do their homework...they should have been a shoe in.....

 

Do you mind if I print out your last paragraph and send it together with a note in large letters "CONFORM" to the person next door to me?

In the age group you refer, lives by themselves as I do and is so concerned with environmental issues I have no idea how their rubbish bin is full to overflowing every week whereas mine would be lucky to have more than two small bags of landfill.

As for the baby boomers I may have to change my attitude in order to get back into those groups who I have offended by indicating their whines and whinges really have no justification.

In short, speak for yourself and not me.

 

You are worried about climate change but the millions if elderly can't afford heating.
You are worried about climate change yet ausAustra has almost no industry.

You are worried about climate change yet not worried about business closing becubec power prices are going up 200%. Because if the idiology that we have resources coming out if butt but can't use them.

When Australia produces around 1% of Co2 pollution why are you so preoccupied with making us pay more.

Why are you not worried about population components that have to go wothouw to support tour idiology.

The issue us you don't worry about tax because you probably pay little or like 40% of Australians are a net receiver if tax.

I'm a millennial I dissagree with you and your opinion.

But you will shout me down call me backwards, that any rational conversation can't be had .

 

With all due respect, the argument you have made above is nothing but the same propaganda that has been espoused by the likes of Abbott, Morrison and Joyce. They are running a skewed position because they represent donors with stranded coal assetts.

Renewables set to drive down power prices, but there's a catch

"In its annual snapshot of household bill predictions called Price Trends, the AEMC said bill reductions were primarily driven by the reduction of wholesale costs for power generated in south-east Queensland, Victoria, SA and Tasmania.

"The reduction is driven by the estimated entry of 9,732 megawatts of accredited, committed or expected new generation and battery storage," the report found."

"The downward pressure this generation creates on wholesale prices more than offsets expected increases in gas and coal fuel prices over the period."


https://www.smh.com.au/business/the...limate-policy-csrio-says-20181221-p50nnq.html

“Our data confirms that while existing fossil fuel power plants are competitive due to their sunk capital costs, solar and wind generation technologies are currently the lowest-cost ways to generate electricity for Australia, compared to any other new-build technology," CSIRO chief energy economist Paul Graham said.

"This also holds when the cost of fossil generation technology is adjusted for climate policy risk or not."

 

The current environmentalist mob are nothing but sneering hypocrites who I generally find are just as if not more consumerist (particularly younger generations with disposable technology) than the rest of the populace

 

I'm totally disappointed with the Libs. However I want to remind the Youngies in the room that when i look out the windscreen travelling into the CBD, i see almost no pollution in front of me. Maybe a red glow on the horizon from grass fires or red soil dust blowing around. When I was your age, the city and suburbs were perpetually veiled in smog . When we visited my aunty in Newcastle, we saw 1970s power production, and today we can view modern power production - Hubby worked onsite at CS Energy last year.

Just reminding you that we dont like pollution and we do care about our environment.

We spent the last 40 years cleaning up around here - Dont anyone EVER accuse me of supporting pollution.

 

One of my darker thoughts.

No matter what we do we as a species consume resources. I cannot think of one activity where we don't.

 

Unfortunately most of the nouveau social justice environmentalists are socialist ideologues who approach what is a growing problem with collectivist top down approach that invariably drives more manufacturing and industrial segments of the economy offshore to jurisdictions that have little in the way of environmental standards (as cost of production rises from the promotion of alternative energy sources)

Pollution then invariably increases exponentially as consumers around the world drive more and more industrial production in non 1st world countries via the use of the cheapest and dirtiest energy sources

The kicker is that the consumerism that drives ever increasing levels of pollution is just as, if not more, widely embraced by these "environmentally conscious" ideologues

As usual the loudest ideologues are likely to achieve much less in the way of grass root tangible actions towards reducing their own footprint

 

Could you please reference the source for your claims that ‘as usual the loudest ideologues are likely to achieve much less in the way of grass root tangible actions towards reducing their own footprint’

 

Al Gore's Climate Change Hypocrisy Is As Big As His Energy-Sucking Mansion | Investor's Business Daily

 

As the Italians say......disastro

 

This is an article about one person (Al Gore) offsetting his electricity use!

The author even says in the article:

‘As anyone who reads these pages knows, we believe most of the claims about climate change are themselves scams.‘

 

All good.
Unless you can capture and store it it does not work.

When battery storage becomes affordable solar and wind will be the go.

Awesome produce when it's sunny and windy store for night and low wind.

Can't do that now.

The most cost effective is nuclear base load power. This will never happen in Australia

 

Renewable energy sources such as wind and solar will receive subsidies of up to $2.8 billion a year up to 2030 to ensure Australia reaches its Renewable Energy Target, according to new research.

Such a cost effective way to produce electricity.

Wtf they need billions in subsidy every year?

 

same for fossils. all subsidies removed, renewables are cheaper

 

you are right that renawables need battery to be most effective, but even without batteries they are making considerable contribution.

I think in this debate the focus should be whats good for australia long term rather than short term.
The reality is our economy needs to move from fossil fuels sooner than later
the debate should actually be on how fast we move without disadvantaging people who live off fosssils (and I dont mean big companies). unfortunately one side of politics has decided to ignore the climate change issue and pretend it doesnt exist. in the early 2000's renawables were too expensive and liberals used the economic argument against them. now that prices have come down, they have decided to pretend it does exist. (hopefully Australians are less gaulible than americans propably thats why Tonny Abbot is now pretending he believes is climate change)
It should not be forgotten that austalia has very good universities and they have been at the forefront of renewable energy research and inventions. problem is industry and government dont support them much.
I dont remember the exact name but there is a chinese student who did his phd on increasing PV efficiency at a NSW uni, on completion he couldnt get any funding in Australia and went back to china with his ideas. Now china is the world leader in PV production.

recently UNSW have announced GELION technology which is way better than lithium ion batteries,
by all means australia should become a world leader in this tech as the whole world needs it
Gelion on ABC TV News – Gelion Technology
I cant wait for the day when my wall will double up as batteries

also note national party voters are the ones embracing renawables quickest as it gives them indepependence from the grid
Solar batteries could spark power revolution in bush
old story but you get my point

 

You are right about this.
Purist ideologies cause more harm than the good they are trying to achieve
a measured approach getting the best from both sides is better

 

true - a dark thought.
a way to lighten is that we can develop a circular economy. where by waste is resused or reclaimed.
our economy has developed assuming unlimited resources, but we can change it if there is political will

 

Well I gave you what you wanted an example: A loud ideologue who is a hypocrite