Tenants damage newly installed pavers

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  1. fullylucky

    fullylucky Well-Known Member

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    probably best not to buy IP that you care about it. Looking at the comments it seems you care a little too much.

    Tenants will never care and love the the house as much as you since it's not their house.

    If you show them you care, they will just do it more to **** you off. They hate the fact that they have to pay their hard earned money to you. That's their mindset sorry to disappoint you but that's how they think.
     
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    As others above said if they've been installed correctly with concrete edging there wouldn't be a prob with cars running the edges.
    (Like Ace I would have concreted, pavers look nice but the maint sux.)

    A foreseeable issue is when someone moves into the rear unit they're likely gunna have probs getting in & out without having to go knock on the front door etc if the front unit and their friends are always blocking their way, can get real nasty.
    I've experienced this personally with my PPOR being behind a rental with single lane common drive, almost ended in fists, they ended up with a 3rd notice to evict, no probs since.

    Make sure the PM lays down the law with the front unit, whilst not ideal give the rear tenant your mobile so they can let you know if their not getting action from the PM if cars keep blocking their entry/exit.
     
  3. wylie

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    If the bay is made to fit two cars, and parking three means they are putting too much weight on the pad (is that possible?), or even parking three means they don't fit onto the paved area, could you get a low fence built around the edge and/or install bollards down the centre to ensure only two cars can park there.

    Alternatively, wouldn't it be better to extend the footprint so three cars can fit properly?
     
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    Having never been to the driveway like many others here, I'm going to say its due to the mack truck they park and also the Gold billion in the boot of the corolla. Plus I did some more digging and appears its a heritage listed burial ground and subsidence has occurred.
    All in all, its recommended to fake an electrical fire from the meth lab and burn the joint down and let insurance take care of it. Job done.
     
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    The pavers are 60mm thick and they are supposed to be able to handle vehicles. We also put road base on trafficable area. I am not sure it can be called wear and tear when the job was literally only completed for one or two day before the edges sink.
    And yes, as described by York. Double carbay (5.2mx6m), 2 cars parked side by side and the third car parked behind them.They wouldn't have enough space to reverse without driving over the edges.
    So it does sound like a combination of a job poorly done and improper use of the driveway? Have been trying to contact the contractor but he's away on holiday. Would definitely ask compensation with contractor first, before bringing up anything with tenants.
    Too emotionally invested, maybe :/. We just happened to visit the property frequently during the holiday season to finish off some work in the rear house. Wouldn't you be upset if you spend your hard earned money to pave the driveway, only to be damaged the next day ? Commons or not, if I can't get compensation, then I'd have to fork out more money again to get the same job done.
     

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  6. D.T.

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    Looking at those pics, I'd definitely be talking to the contractor first. They shouldn't go up like that unless they weren't compacted enough or the coping on the edges wasn't done well.

    In the 2nd pic where the end row is coming apart, do they drive over this to get in / out of the parking space? If yes, are they supposed to?

    Its possible the tenants used it before the coping set. Or tried to put more cars on it than intended. Or as above paragraph, drove over edges they're not meant to. All of these things will be hard to prove though.

    I'd get some edges put up and some lines marked, this helps educate on the proper usage.
     
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    Thanks for your comments, DT. Work was done just before Christmas and contractor hasn't been contactable since. Will chase it up with them.
    In the 1st pic, you can see tyre mark as tenants drive over them.
    In the 2nd pic, they shouldn't be able to drive over it and they're not supposed to. They enter the carbay from the right side of the pic. There is a difference in height (probably about 10 cm) between the carbay and the lawn, but I thought the edges should hold if they don't drive over. But yeah, as a long term solution, we will probably have to put some limestones on the edges.
     
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    Oh, there is no doubt it has been driven over, but even if it had not, this has not been done properly.
     
  9. Ace in the Hole

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    Can't say I've heard that term before, but I like it :)

    Chibs, that job is a shocker :mad:
    Have a go at the shoddy work on the corner of the parking bay, that's ridiculous!
    Looks like it's all been laid on loose sand.
    Hope you had a proper quote and didn't pay cash, otherwise the dodgy dealer may be bye bye.
    Did the contractors look professional to you?
     
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    Chibs,

    Is there any reason you didn't just throw a slab down there?
     
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    I cannot see how that job was done properly when it seems to be on sand (as already mentioned). I also cannot see how you can blame a tenant for driving over an edge when there is nothing to stop them (low wall, shrub).
     
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    Ace, I meant to say "invested" XD .. shall edit that

    We followed the contractor's recommendation, which was to put road base. He didn't mention anything about slab, we didn't think about it either. The whole driveway has been laid on loose sand, which I thought is the common practice? I mean, you don't pour slab on driveways ? He looked alright, my hubby corresponded to him most of the time though. The job looked okay when completed, didn't look like how it is now.

    Fair enough comment, wylie, for the 2nd pic (the carbay) we will have to put something. But the 1st pic is the driveway (next to the sand is the house), they ran over the edges because they parked too many cars and therefore don't have enough space to get in and out.
     
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    Thats 90% pi$$ poor workmanship.

    So they actually put down roadbase ? Or just a layer of soft sand?
    Looks like it has been laid for walking on ie alfresco not for driving on!.
     
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    I dont see any roadbase there, the edges look like they're on soft sand
    Workmanship on the corner there is atrocious too, hes obviously a lazy *******.

    Not the tenants fault im afraid
     
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    Same thing happened to my driveway with a front and rear house. The edges have come away and both tenants are saying they didnt do it. Cant tell which one was at fault. Builder wont fix it either. IMG_3581.JPG
     
  16. wylie

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    Surely in both cases the fault is in the laying of the pavers, and not the fault of the tenants? These are meant to take the weight of a car, and that should mean the edges are strong enough to not spread like they have in each of the photos. I wouldn't blame the tenants for it at all. Neither driveway or pad looks "fit for purpose".
     
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    Yeah agreed. Its hard to imagine what the tenants might have done 'wrong' apart from drive on it...

    ... and drive on a driveway? Madness!
     
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    Refer to pg 89-90 of the Boral handbook

    Edge restraint is well below standard required.
     
  19. Ace in the Hole

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    Builder should fix it otherwise claim it under builders warranty insurance and report him.

    What's up with all these sub standard paving jobs?
    Possibly using unqualified labour considering slapping some pavers down seems simple enough, but if not done properly the whole job needs to be completed re done.
     
  20. Big Daddy

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    They wont fix so i have to go there tommorow.

    I had a bit of extra paving done by another bricklayer for the side of the house and even before the edges gave way he was saying the edge restraint was a **** poor job. Also complained that the storm water drains were about 2cm below paving and a trip hazard and that the pavers were layed so they sloped into the garage and this would cause flooding.

    Im very happy with the rest of the build except the pavement. Not sure what i can do next time to prevent the builder getting out of this situation.

    Hope it all works out for the OP.