Tax Tip 109: CGT and Being absent from the main residence for more than 6 years

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  1. PKFFW

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    Yes, that's this thread, which I've read and think I understand.

    In short, it doesn't matter when the capital gain was actually achieved, the total amount will be assessed and apportioned over the total period.

    So I've been absent for 6 years and I don't think there will be any growth over the next 6 (if anything it might further drop in value), so all I'd be doing by holding it, from a capital gain tax point of view anyway, would be ensuring I have to pay some tax whereas if I sold it now I wouldn't pay any.
     
  2. Terry_w

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    Lol. I am reading on mobile so didn't realise it's the same thread.
     
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    And this is possibly correct, if not growth you could still be taxed.
     
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    @Terry_w @Paul@PFI

    QU: what are the implications if you exceed the 6 years by a very small margin (5 weeks) before moving back in?

    And the reason for exceeding 6 years is on compassionate grounds - the tenants were a young family building a new home through 2020 which was delayed. I didn't want to ask them to leave to find a new place for just a month or two.
     
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    The 6 year is a absolute limit unless it recommences as a home and then ceases again which in 5 weeks seems dubious. Instead a time apportionment applies and 5 weeks divided by 312 weeks is just 1.602%. 50% is taxable. So you may end up paying CGT on 0.8% of the profit after selling costs AND with non-deductible ownership costs for the 5 weeks thrown in that may be minor.

    ie A max of $376 per $100K of profit.
     
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    Thanks @Paul@PFI . I am using the spreadsheet you've previously provided to track all costs from day 1 of purchase.

    Thank @Terry_w .

    PS, we are in that thread already :)
     
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    lol
     
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    hi @Terry_w , im unclear as to what this means. Say, if I had to fully replace (not repair) a dilapidated front porch, or replace an old leaking bathroom on the investment property, then I would be able to claim the depreciation for these works. Whatever depreciation deductions i had claimed for these works over the years, would need to be substracted from the cost base (i.e. from the 300k using ur example) ? thanking you!
     
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    There is a separate tax tip on this. Depreciation claimed increases cgt
     
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    Is there exceptions to this 6 year rule under special circumstances? Eg - if you are a carer and live in the carers home for ten years
     
  12. Terry_w

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    I haven't seen any concessions for situations like that in the legislation.
     
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    Thanks Terry
     
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    Terry, the ITAA is quite detailed, and with rulings and Acts of God it gets confusing. I use experts to assist me - plumber, sparky, PM, tax advisor, etc. Your example with the numbers makes it quite easy for me to get a CGT figure that is close to reality; I'll never get it quite right. Thank you for your detailed post, most helpful. Others asking good questions and providing good answers also greatly assist.
     
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    It may mean those few weeks allow third element costs since a pro-rata calc is now required. 3rd elements costs can reduce a gain but cant create a loss. It may also mean that since there is a taxable calculation the s118.192 valuation is also now required IF applicable
     
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    Hi Terry!
    I have couple of question for when you have the time to answer them thank you!! Does this 6 years rule apply even now? When someone decide to sell the residence with not CGT does he need to buy again a property or can keep the cash and not re-purchase for few years or not re-purchase at all? I have in mind for example somebody that wants to move permanently overseas for example and wants to sell and not repurchase or somebody which partner has already a house of her own to move into.

    Thanks
     
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    It is still law yes

    Not necessarily

    there is no requirement to buy again
     
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    If I move out after a year and start to rent it out and I come back before the 6 years expires to keep free CGT does the 6 years rule reset again after I lived in the property for some time and if yes for how long do I need to live there and for how long can I move out again before the need to move back in?

    Thank you for your time!
     
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    Yes it resets if you reestablish it as your main residence
     
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  20. Baker

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    All these questions are clearly answered in this thread, and Tax Tip 23: The 6 year Absent from Main Residence Rule, if you go back and read.
     
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