Syrian Refugees ...Would you sponsor/house a family?

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  1. Angel

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    Democracy - winning friends and influencing people

    Sorry but as a child in the 60s when the Irish were blowing up one another, I quickly realised that their behavior wasn't winning themselves any friends and certainly wasn't influencing other's to their views. Same can be said for the residents of Palestine blowing up school buses, or their friends in Beirut hijacking aeroplanes full of westerners and blowing them up on National Television. They didn't convince me to support their views.
     
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    We have a NSW Police Force that has the Middle Eastern Crime Squad !
    Why single out a Race of people ? In my opinion its racist.

    We need to help these people and try to understand them rather than give them a hard time .
    As I said im with the Greens on this and I attended the candlelight vigil and so did thousands of others ready to open our hearts and homes to these poor refugees.

    There was even young Australian girls at the candlelight vigil crying because the way the refugees have been treated.
    A call at the vigil by the Greens was to increase the intake to 200,000 refugees.
     
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    People are singling them out due to religion, not race. If they just so happen to be predominantly one race - well that's an association you've made, and made alone.
     
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    Sorry you may have misunderstood my earlier comment that the NSW Police was racist in terms of having a Middle Eastern Crime Unit obviously aimed at Middle Eastern people.
     
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    They aren't singling out a race, the Middle Eastern crime squad tackles Middle Eastern crime gangs.
     
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    Yeah... Nah.

    Middle eastern organised crime is an issue. As are Asian gangs. As are white bikey organisations. Each of these has a taskforce assigned to it. They have specialised knowledge etc.

    Very different to racial profiling etc for random street searches.
     
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    Good on you for sponsoring a family and child, we sponsor a girl and family in Kenya and a boy in Uganda. I also feel sorry for the people of Syria but the rest of your post I strongly disagree with.
     
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    It tackles middle eastern crime gangs.That's not racist, do you even know what racist means?? Do you have a problem with identifying race when it comes to crime? Are we to forgo descriptions when looking for criminals?

    How are we giving them a hard time? Syria is surrounded by very wealthy countries that have not lifted a finger to help so that's just bleeding heart crap.

    Well she will be in for some real trouble when reality hits her square in the mouth when she grows up. 200,000!? Proof positive the Greens are the nuttiest bunch of ******s this side of the black stump.
     
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    Blowing up hotels in British Palestine worked very well for the Zionists. They got a country and made friends. But the West chose to ignore those acts of terrorism out of shame of what was allowed to happen to Jews before and during WW2.
     
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    I have been reading this post and didn't want to contribute, but I think as I was born and lived in the middle east for 30 years before moving to Australia. I lived as a Christian in a majority Muslim country. Maybe some stuff you need to know from a local.

    War is War, and refugees are in great need for help. Children need to go to school and eat a good meal, live in peace. This will help them to be good people for their communities. To do that, those refugees needs to know how to live the western life, learn the culture, and get involved in the community. This is the only way the mix can work.

    Some people are worried from the violence related issues that could come. Think about those people, in their country law is not enforced, No traffic lights, your car can be stolen and no one cares, your child can be kidnapped, and the advice you will get from Police, is try to negotiate a ransom. I have seen this with my eyes. People cannot sell a property, because once it is known that they got some money from the sales, someone in the family will be kidnapped. everything is on freeze. that's why those people just jump on any boat. they are dead anyway. Violence is in the air, so don't expect the first day they land, they will change. Some of them lived all their life in this violence.

    The problem in this high numbers of refugees is the closed communities, they go to the same suburb, same school, same shopping, they speak the same language. With high birth rates. Then it becomes another small country inside your own country. I don't mean Australia. it could be in Greece, Germany (800 thousands expected in 2015 only). The trick is how to manage the balance between involving those refugees in the community, and keep them away from closed communities.
     
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    In Australia, Muslims (like all religions) are free to go wherever they like, live wherever they like, practice their religion wherever they like, when they like.

    They can wear what they like, eat what they like....say what they like, have access to all the amenities, the law system, the education and health that all Australians do....

    In Aus, we even have "Muslim only" days of swimming at certain public pools, so as not to offend; some schools don't allow Christmas trees or Christmas Carols to be sung anymore - so as not to offend....

    FFS - we even have folks wandering around now saying "Happy Holidays!" instead of "Merry Christmas!" so as not to offend you lot. o_O

    No other religion I can think of in Aus has kicked up and down so much (or indeed; ever) about two items of every-day Aus living that is part of our culture and has been for probably two hundred years....

    Tell me of this wonderful vision of yours which you call "repressed".
     
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    The vast majority of so called Muslim only events at pools are actually a couple of women only classes run by volunteers after hours to teach new migrants how to swim in a more comfortable environment. I'm sure if you paid the hire fees you could start a "middle aged computer warrior learn to swim class" and exclude whoever you want.

    The only story about banning Christmas was (surprise surprise) a Herald Sun story from 2010 about a school having the christmas play and attendance as being voluntary. Everything else was either the ravings of right wing nutjobs of SJWs getting worked up about us whiteys offending someone so cultural imperialism.

    Happy Holidays is an Americanism that dates from the mid 19th Century and has nothing to do with Islam.

    Sorry to let some facts get in the way of an Australia love it or leave it copy/paste from Facebook, but it's such of a distortion to suit a bigoted agenda it needs to be called out.
     
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    Sorry to correct you Andrew but I work as a Senior Public Servant, Australian flags are banned in the workplace, well ours anyway.
    We arent allowed to say Merry Xmas, its happy holidays, and I prefer it this way.
    In fact our office doesnt even bother with a Xmas party like we used to.

    We have gone politically correct LOL
    I think they even changed the disabled toilet name to " accessible toilet" now or some other name?
    I know the word "disabled" has now been banned i believe.

    I know recently I was Counselled for calling the Cleaning Dept and calling them cleaners, they according to my superviser who spent over 1 hour talking to me over coffee mind you, that they are now known as Presentation Services Officers and were deeply offended when I asked if that was the Cleaning Dept.
     
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    Happy Holidays was invented to appease the PC mentality in the USA, I'd wager. :rolleyes:

    And now it has crept into our dialogue.

    My view is; celebrate your religious days however you want, whenever they are....

    And allow everyone else to do the same.

    I'm an Atheiest, but you don't see me jumping up and down about all that....good on all them.

    Personally; I reckon it's a waste of time - better spent drinking a beer and playing golf; but that's just me.
     
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    Andrew, I've been taking my 3 kids to swimming lessons at the local swimming centre near us - on and off - for 12 years now, and still going there for the next few while the two youngest kids need more work.

    It is a Community pool, a fabulous facility; and there are various activities run there every day, 364 days per year.

    There are various groups of old Nannas - through to younger mums - doing water aerobic classes most days; while folks do lap-lanes, kids have lessons, folks are in the gym watching through the glass window, folks in the sauna, in the spa - all within plain view of the aerobics classes in the main pool.

    It even has a ramp into/out of the main pool to give access to folks in wheelchairs a crack.

    So far; none of these Nannas and Mums has jumped up and down and demanded the centre be closed down for a time to accommodate their privacy, etc.

    But watch this space, I suppose.
     
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    They seriously close down the pools for muslims or is this just a bit of hyperbole?
     
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    I recall (15 years ago) that the Brunswick pool had men and women only sessions. Not exclusive to any religion or cultural group, but it was designed with that in mind.
     
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    @Darlinghurst Boy sorry mate, I respect your kind heart but seriously your comments are about as unhelpful for society as the far right comments. There is a middle eastern crime squad because there is some serious middle eastern criminal gangs on our streets- you need to get a grip. Maybe you have been working in that crazy PC workplace too long. I would much prefer to live in a society where Christians wish Muslims 'happy ramadan' and Muslims wish Christians 'Merry Xmas'. Pretending the biggest day in their religious calendar doesnt exist is not only stupid but also offensive. People have some serious concerns about integrating 12000 refugees into our society and rightly so. History has shown that Muslims in particular do have much more trouble integrating into Australian society than Europeans or Asians and this is reflective in both employment and learning English. We absolutely need to help these people and we wouldnt be the country we are if we didnt, but lets not pretend that there is no risk of allowing bad people into Australia.
     
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    This kind of discussions do get carried away and its good to express opinion. We as investors look at statistics all the time, growth rate, roi, returns etc... This country has been accepting people from a fairly long time and we know from statistics what these people are doing and how well they are performing in life.
    My suggestion is why not publish statistics on
    - employment
    - education
    - crime
    - any good deeds for each community or country of origin... don't let PC come in way publish the facts.
    use these facts to help people in need or immigrate, it will encourage good behavior. This way if one community is really bad then they are punishing their own kind.. or maybe they are not so bad and its its all work of fiction...