Subject to finance loan amount

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  1. 10khours

    10khours Well-Known Member

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    How important is the 'loan amount' section on the subject to finance condition? Wording is as follows:

    This contract is subject to a loan being approved and the following details apply if the box is checked:
    Lender: ________
    Loan amount: no more than: ________

    My conveyancer advised the loan amount must be exact on the contract. But since I am doing a loan with capitalised LMI, I don't know the exact LMI premium and therefore do not know the exact amount I will need to borrow. I do know the rough LMI premium if I was borrowing for a more expensive property, should I just use the LMI figure for the higher purchase price. Will this condition still be valid if the loan amount is less than the amount on the contract? E.g. if I put loan amount of 1 million on the form, but end up only applying for a loan of 980,000 which falls through, would the subject to finance condition still allow me to exit the contract?

    Or do I need to get my broker to run the figures on the exact purchase price I am going to offer and tell me the loan amount?
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    very important.
    Better to put the highest amount so that it will give you an option to back out - seek your own legal advice.

    If you put the contract subject to a loan of $980,000 but you are approved for $979,999 then you have not met the condition of the contract.
     
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  3. tigerpaws

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    In QLD you put "Sufficient to complete"
    Whatever days your broker said finance would take.
     
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  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    That is too vague
     
  5. KateAshmor

    KateAshmor Victorian Conveyancing Lawyer Business Member

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    Late to the party, however: some vendors/agents don't care about the loan amount in a 'subject to finance' approval clause. Sometimes they will accept it being left blank, or "sufficient to complete" being inserted. It's really for the vendor/agent to insist upon, otherwise better to leave it blank or vague, if possible.
     
  6. Trainee

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    Doesnt ‘no more than’ sound weird? Why isnt it ‘no less than’?
     
  7. Peter_Tersteeg

    Peter_Tersteeg Mortgage Broker Business Member

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    In lending terms the difference is probably achedemic. A lender who declines 92.8% LVR is also likely to decline 92.4% LVR. A reasonable guess will likely suffice for a finance clause. If in doubt, add a little extra to the figure on the finance clause.

    Also many lenders 'decline letters' don't actually specify the loan amount and I've never had a conveyancer question it.
     
  8. thesuperman

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    If the vendor is allowing a subject to finance clause, why don't you ask for it written to your benefit by being more broad? Eg. "Subject to finance by a suitable lender chosen by the purchaser"

    Therefore, if you haven't found a "suitable lender" that you are happy with, you can still back out if you so choose.
     
  9. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Whats the definition of 'suitable lender'?

    Rather than broad it might be best to narrow it down to a specific amount and specific lender - ideally set a high LVR to give you an option of not being able to get that amount.
     
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  10. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Downside of that approach while safer is less likely to be accepted by a seller in a contested market.

    95 % lend vs 80 % lend with same price and conditions, the 80 % will almost always get the preference

    ta
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  11. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I have had 2 calls this week from agents so I think the market has turned - at least in Sydney. Also received a few sms saying price guides for houses have dropped in value. A few months ago they wouldn't even return calls.
     
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  12. Jamie Moore

    Jamie Moore MORTGAGE BROKER - AUSTRALIA WIDE Business Member

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    Yep - that's been my experience over the years too. They care more about the finance expiry date!

    Cheers

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  13. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Thats a good point Jamie. Putting a time limit on a offer to indicate a finance limit gives some form of condition. Vendors must choose to reject in that case
     
  14. carfield

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    for all QLD purchase where i had finance clause, "sufficient to complete" is what we put. My lawyer reviewed and ensured all terms were drafted/reviewed in my favor.
     
  15. JacM

    JacM VIC Buyer's Agent - Melbourne, Geelong, Ballarat Business Member

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    Ask your broker what figure to nominate.

    I am sometimes asked what LVR is being borrowed when we're in the early stages of negotiating an offer. The favourable answer is 80% or less, as the selling agents know that'll be desktop valuation (rather than in person) and that thus valuation is very unlikely to throw a spanner in the loan application works. They also know that above 80%, there will be LMI which means the formal loan approval will take longer to come through.