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  1. Esel

    Esel Well-Known Member

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    People are suggesting the attackers in europe might have been using sexual violence as a form of terrorism.
    I dont know if anyone really knows but this article suggests an increase of men from the muslim countries could explain part of the increase.

    The rape capitals of the west

    A lack of respect for women isnt unique to islam. Cultures in africa, the indian subcontinent and the middle east routinely treat women poorly. Orthodox jews, yazidis, christians, muslims, hindus, sikhs all find excuses to control and inflict violence against women. (As do too many australian men.)
     
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    Yes! The attacks in germany seem to have been a real turning point with lots of women asking why their rights are being sacrificed for the sake of racial harmony.

    Why does the west still do business with saudi arabia? When apartheid existed in south aftica, westerns boycotted them in protest at how black south africans were treated. Where are the government's or businesses protesting the disgusting treatment of women in places like Saudi arabia? Instead the UK just assisted SA onto the UN human rights council!!
     
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    Yes Esel, thats a massive issue that needs to be looked at honestly. Again i feel people are finally beginning to talk about it and i can feel here in europe that serious questions are starting to be asked.
    A good point i read yesterday - If ISIS was recognized tomorrow as a formal govt then in a few years it would probaly resemble what saudi is today. they really aren't too different in belief structure . The Wahabbism coming out of Saudi is a big driver behind ISIS and Islamism in general. They need to be held accountable .
    The US is assisting ISIS, thats been made clear since Russia got involved. I believe the reason is that the States need a Sunni influence to remain in the region to counter Iranian ****e expansion. It makes sense.
    Russia destroyed more ISIS infrastructure in the first 5 weeks of bombing than the US had achieved in 14 months. Pretty damning stuff really
     
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    Yes Esel, thats a massive issue that needs to be looked at honestly. Again i feel people are finally beginning to talk about it and i can feel here in europe that serious questions are starting to be asked.
    A good point i read yesterday - If ISIS was recognized tomorrow as a formal govt then in a few years it would probaly resemble what saudi is today. they really aren't too different in belief structure . The Wahabbism coming out of Saudi is a big driver behind ISIS and Islamism in general. They need to be held accountable .
    The US is assisting ISIS, thats been made clear since Russia got involved. I believe the reason is that the States need a Sunni influence to remain in the region to counter Iranian Shiite expansion. It makes sense.
    Russia destroyed more ISIS infrastructure in the first 5 weeks of bombing than the US had achieved in 14 months. Pretty damning stuff really
     
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    I think Germany will end up closing its borders, which is unfortunate for all the women and children.

    There's even a name for it: "taharrush gamea"--when gangs of men set out to assault and rape women.
     
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    Considering the huge public backlash, it's certainly a prudent measure. Merkel's legacy is swiftly heading to the trash.

    Back on the Trump brigade, bookies margins are steeply declining on the payout ratios from Trump being elected President - falling from $32 to $6. Hillary is still sub $2 which I find very surprising however, considering how ineffective she has been compared to other Democrat candidates.
     
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    Of course what happened on NYE in Germany is bad but the reality is far more Muslim immigrants are subject to attacks in Europe (and the US) than the other way around. They are the ones more at risk, not the locals.
     
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    Can you quote statistics for this?
     
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    I think what makes the recent acts so heinous is that a group of men have made a conscious decision to go out together with the express purpose of assaulting and raping women. But I don't like the racism either. Perhaps they should consider a curfew for men. Or simply allow only women and children to enter the country.
     
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    Good point.

    And the first result when searching gangs raping women in australia is a story about a bunch of muslims gang raping a woman in Sydney. Sydney gang rapes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course westerners are just as capable of being the scum of the earth and assaulting women. However there is something about a culture that fosters the inequality that leads to attitudes that assaulting women is okay, that is so much scarier than isolated incidents.


    Actually I just found this article that elaborates a bit further on my point:

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    "The savage exploitation of girls and young women is, unfortunately, a cross-cultural phenomenon, but only in Islamic law does it carry divine sanction"
     
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    Or you know just not allow people who hold such backward, evil misogynistic views who act upon them into your country.
     
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    I was making a point about people who are only vocal about violence against women when migrants are the culprits.

    I dont believe in cultural relavatism And i have no issue with the discussion about the cultural nature of these crimes. i certainly don't think its acceptable to compromise the safety of women for the sake of racial harmony.

    I would be fantastic if every time someone was assulted or harrased it was deemed so unacceptable and unsual to be worthy of a discussion on this forum. But i suspect some posters will only be interested in the instances where refugees are responsible.

    Would be delighted to be proved wrong.
     
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    Whilst there is no doubt that the gangs were mostly of North African origin, those in western countries should perhaps look at the rape culture endemic in our societies where women are fetishized and objectified.

    Germany should fix it's own backyard when it comes to the treatment of its women. Germany has sent out the clear message: it will not tolerate the assault of rape of its women, unless it's indoors and men pay for it first.

    Germany is a prime destination for trafficking of women. It legalised prostitution in the 1990s. Because there aren't enough local women to service demand, more than 90 per cent of its prostitutes are trafficked from poor countries such as Romania. It's known as the mega-brothel of Europe. Impoverished and marginalised women are offered at a flat rate of 30 euros. Because competition is so high, women are forced to offer more demeaning services. Brothels offer menus. I won't go into details about what is offered in those menus, because it will turn your stomach. At the opening of one mega brothel in Germany, the women were all crying at the number of men they'd have to service. The pimps own the buildings from which the women work. The women have to service at least six or seven men before they break even to pay for the room.

    Germany sees women as an underclass, not fully human, and certainly not deserving of human rights. The people making money off the backs of these women are the pimps and the government.

    Is it any wonder that newly arrived migrants see the porn and prostitution and come to the conclusion that it's a free for all when it comes to men's access to women?
     
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    That's some serious cognitive dissonance you've got going on there. Mass sexual assaults of women by men foreign to Germany, who come from a culture where misogyny and assault of women is commonplace enough to be considered normal and you immediately jump to blaming western nations.
     
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    I agree all cases are equally disturbing in their own way. Its ridiculous how often sexual assault happens. In my job some days it feels like every woman I speak to has a history of sexual assault.

    However I do think we are in a culture that disapproves of such assault. If you've ever talked to a perpetrator of sexual assault it becomes evident very quickly just how shockingly different their views are compared to the views you are exposed to normally in our society.
     
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