Sewer through backyard

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  1. RedHat

    RedHat Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys,

    Looking for some feedback on the attached sewer diagram, it runs through the highlighted property. From my understanding this is not an easement?

    Planning to purchase this property in Sydney to live in; no plans in future to develope although might put a granny flat / add extension.
    Do you see any problem with this?

    TA

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  2. Propertunity

    Propertunity Well-Known Member

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    This is no good for a granny flat development unless you want to go to the expense of digging up and encasing the sewer line in concrete. (Assuming your back boundary is where you have highlighted). If this was me looking for a granny flat suitable block I’d give it a miss and keep looking.
     
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  3. bashworth

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    Even though there may not be a formal easement a court could rule that a prescribed easement is in place.
    That means that any 'owner' of the pipe has the right to consider that an easement should be in place due to the long established use.
     
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  4. Westminster

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    In WA all sewer lines have an implied easement and don't need to be placed as an easement on title.

    Depending on the depth of the sewer is how close you can build to it but it's location looks to be poor for an extension or GF
     
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  5. RedHat

    RedHat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Alan.
    Grrany flat is just a thought 15 years down the track. Right now the plan is just to live in the property and enjoy it.:)
     
  6. theperthurbanist

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    Is there likely to be subdivision potential in the future? Even though it is a PPOR and you may have no desire to subdivide, still be aware that if the zoning changes and it becomes a developable site, when you go to sell the value/capital growth will have been limited by the presence of that sewer line.
     
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  7. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Building a deck or any structure in the yard may be limited by an easement
     
  8. bmc

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    you might be referring to a section 88K application

    sydney water assets are covered by this legislation
    see https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/a1f77bd8-14d5-e722-8119-e1abecea1bbb/1994-88.pdf
     
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  9. Illusivedreams

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    If you have no intentions of subdivision than this is a Go.

    You will have a certain set back if you build a new house looking at positions it will not have a major affect.

    I assume the price already reflects this impediment.

    In So this property should be cheaper than and identical house with out this sewer. This will also have an effect when. Selling as the new. Buyer Will have same Concerns as you and In so discount the risk.
     
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  10. PJ1

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    Your local water provider will have all the info you require.
    I would look into this before you buy as part of my DD.
    I am renovating a house now with a sewer pipe like this directly under it and had to pier alongside the pipe to a point down below the "point of influence" to reduce any load upon the pipe.
    It's not impossible but adds to the complexity and cost.
     
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  11. JDM

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    If you are happy to buy the property knowing you likely cannot build over the easement, then proceed. If you want to do future works, get more advice on the ways this can be achieved.
     
  12. scientist

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    Not a problem, this happens all the time in Sydney, just need to pay extra 20k for concrete encasement.
     
  13. FrivolousPanda

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    Question around what concrete encasement entails as I'm looking at a property with a sewer line running across the backyard hence this may need some consideration.

    Is it literally what the name says it is? I.e. digging up the ground to expose the pipe, then filling the area with concrete to cover the pipes.

    Are there any general rules on how close to sewer pipes before this is required?

    If the pipes are exposed and it turns out it isn't in the best of shape, will Sydney Water foot the cost to repair them to a state which the pipes can be encased?

    Thanks
     
  14. bob shovel

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    Yep usually dig and replace rather than keep the existing but does depend on the size of the main. It's easier to plug the sewer then replace with pvc and encase.

    Likely sydney water will not pay for anything. You want it, you sort it. They also likely have an idea of its condition especially if it's had blockages in the past
     
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    What is the going rate $/m for conrete encasement? Or experiences
    @Leo2413 @Westminster and co :)
    Depth and specifics of job vary but what are guide prices or case studies out there
     
  16. Sackie

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    Never done it myself but a friend mentioned to me awhile back he paid roughly $1300 per lineal metre in NSW.
     
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    @Angad Singh did your engineer mention a rough cost per metre for my site?
     
  18. samiam

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    We found a block which we are hoping to develop later. Catch is there is a sewer line across the back. We are very undecided atm. Anyone have done development recently with easement? Any cost estimate those days?